J1078 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greek Style Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Mavropanos was a brain fade of epic proportions. Just no need for it. Killed our spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellada2004 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, J1078 said: Reporter asked JVS that Chivas in Mexico are interested in his services and if he would leave before next months games. He said he coached there before and its just a rumor and that he still wants to stay on even after his contract expires. I can feel the disappointment in his voice. I also liked when he stuck it to one of the Swedish reporter saying today Sweden absolutely got lucky lol.. after some back in forth with the game we won 2-1 were JVS claimed Swedish media said Greece were 'lucky' after the win. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotsk13 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 I really hope Greece keeps JVS. He has the Ethniki headed in the right direction. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasl Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Sorry i disagree. we do not have the luxury of not having even one of our top players not being on the field. like Manolas. No better center back in greece. Skibbe was a better coach than this one. We need a new coach who can handle all personalities . $25.30m Last update: Jun 3, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaokCT Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Where’s @Boxou!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaokCT Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 56 minutes ago, trotsk13 said: I really hope Greece keeps JVS. He has the Ethniki headed in the right direction. AMEN!!!! JVS will bring us to the promised land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPAO Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 How can anyone say to keep the guy who didn’t bring on the players who actually contributed vs Sweden until the 70th? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPAO Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Did he sub Bakasetas off at any point during the campaign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 We can’t blame Mavropanos. Yes he made a mistake, he’s still young. He has been very impressive the last 2 seasons. He just needs someone more talented and experienced next to him. Manolas or Siovas would’ve been perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 3 hours ago, nasl said: Sorry i disagree. we do not have the luxury of not having even one of our top players not being on the field. like Manolas. No better center back in greece. Skibbe was a better coach than this one. We need a new coach who can handle all personalities . $25.30m Last update: Jun 3, 2021 I agree 100%. If we want the best for the team then we need to play the best players possible. I’m sick of past coaches playing limited players. Santos did it with Vyntra and Katsouranis. Skibbe did it with Tziolis and Tzavellas and now JVS is doing it with Bakasetas and Stafylidis. I don’t think Skibbe is better. They are propably level. But I appreciate JVS in trusting some of our youth. I have mixed feelings. I don’t know if he should stay or go. If he goes then we’ll propably get someone similar to him. If he stays then who knows what will happen. Will he learn from his mistakes? He didn’t learn from the nations league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dean97 said: I agree 100%. If we want the best for the team then we need to play the best players possible. I’m sick of past coaches playing limited players. Santos did it with Vyntra and Katsouranis. Skibbe did it with Tziolis and Tzavellas and now JVS is doing it with Bakasetas and Stafylidis. I don’t think Skibbe is better. They are propably level. But I appreciate JVS in trusting some of our youth. I have mixed feelings. I don’t know if he should stay or go. If he goes then we’ll propably get someone similar to him. If he stays then who knows what will happen. Will he learn from his mistakes? He didn’t learn from the nations league. JVS should not stay there going forward because I for one would like to see Manolas, Sokratis and Fortounis there again. Also squad management during games can improve. Some fresh ideas going into future campaigns. A new coach will not guarentee better results, although, trying a different approach might help things along. Edited October 13, 2021 by ausgreek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotsk13 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 5 hours ago, Dean97 said: I agree 100%. If we want the best for the team then we need to play the best players possible. I’m sick of past coaches playing limited players. Santos did it with Vyntra and Katsouranis. Skibbe did it with Tziolis and Tzavellas and now JVS is doing it with Bakasetas and Stafylidis. I don’t think Skibbe is better. They are propably level. But I appreciate JVS in trusting some of our youth. I have mixed feelings. I don’t know if he should stay or go. If he goes then we’ll propably get someone similar to him. If he stays then who knows what will happen. Will he learn from his mistakes? He didn’t learn from the nations league. Bakasetas was not the problem. He was one of the main reasons we even had a shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellada2004 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Guys I remember way back when the draw was made and a lot of people were saying its going to be to tough to get second over Sweden. With Spain and their class it is one of the toughest groups we could have landed in. Sweden as I said are tough side with experience something we lack by not having Manolas, Sokratis and Siovas included was probably what contributed to our downfall along with not being able to finish but when we look at it Sweden were extremely lucky to get 3 points of us even in Stockholm were we went and basically outclassed them for most the match and they were sitting back defending for their lives for the first 55 minutes. In the end its going to come down to losing points to Georgia and Kosovo (where we lead until the 93rd minute). 2nd place was ours for the taking in this group and dare I say we could have had a chance for 1st place over both Spain & Sweden. We dropped points to Georgia but Sweden barely held on vs Georgia early in the campaign and Spain needed a 94th minute wonder goal from Olmo from 30 meters out to beat Georgia. So Georgia gave all the top teams in the group a tough time. It sucks that this loss to Sweden was Greece first competitive loss since losing in 2020 euro qualifying at Italy a match that we outplayed Italy until we gave up a penalty in the second half like yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellada2004 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Still thinking back to the game I do not want to jump all over JVS because it was a mental mistake that cost us the game but why was his first sub Masouras the player that was causing Sweden's backline havoc? Why did he not pull Pavlidis out earlier for Douvikas? Pavlidis has been a decent player but he needs to be putting away that header from in close yesterday. Anyways its still hard to take this defeat when Greece played the best half plus of football in years vs a tough Sweden team as many others here have said as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brklyngrk Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 After this game, I want to see how JVS lines us up against Spain. Will we play scared or actually try to attack? In many ways, it's an audition for the next tourney. If the type of play we saw is what we should expect or was it an anomaly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotsk13 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Little bit of a tangent… if Greece were to call up and start the best players at every position, what would that lineup look like? Can even include potential future eligible players (like Baldock, etc…) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellada2004 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 13 hours ago, Dean97 said: I agree 100%. If we want the best for the team then we need to play the best players possible. I’m sick of past coaches playing limited players. Santos did it with Vyntra and Katsouranis. Skibbe did it with Tziolis and Tzavellas and now JVS is doing it with Bakasetas and Stafylidis. I don’t think Skibbe is better. They are propably level. But I appreciate JVS in trusting some of our youth. I have mixed feelings. I don’t know if he should stay or go. If he goes then we’ll propably get someone similar to him. If he stays then who knows what will happen. Will he learn from his mistakes? He didn’t learn from the nations league. Good points Dean. JVS has given the youth an opportunity so I give him credit there but why does he change what works in terms of lineups and tactics in games were the Ethniki is successful like in the friendlies or vs Sweden in Greece and against inferior opponents he sits back like Slovenia in NL, Kosovo and Georgia and the team fails. This is the biggest problem along with excluding our experienced players and a top class CB like Manolas who we dam well needed yesterday along with Siovas and Sokratis who is nearing the end of his career but can still contribute. As for Skibbe all I can say is he did manage to get us to World Cup playoff were ultimately we lost to Croatia who made the finals of 2018 World Cup so no shame there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greek Style Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Manolas, Socratis, Fortounis, Samaris. These are the best Greek players. They make up over 33% of the 11. Yet none are playing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paokarag4 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Greek Style said: Manolas, Socratis, Fortounis, Samaris. These are the best Greek players. They make up over 33% of the 11. Yet none are playing. Samaris doesn't have a team, before being let go for free by Benfica he basically hadn't played at all last season. Not to mention he's always been bang average to poor for the Ethniki. Fortounis is injured, so unless we roll him out on his crutches probably couldn't have played. Won't deny Sokratis and Manolas would've helped during this campaign, they have had off-field issues with management that has unfortunately ended their NT careers as long as JVS is at the wheel. But half the guys you mentioned it's not feasible for them to be playing currently. Samaris is done with the NT, he needs to find a club and he wasn't able to find one over the summer, clearly his career is winding down. Stick to AFL re, Blues for the flag next year Cerra to win the Brownlow. Edited October 14, 2021 by paokarag4 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphonse Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Greek Style said: Manolas, Socratis, Fortounis, Samaris. These are the best Greek players. They make up over 33% of the 11. Yet none are playing. Samaris ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphonse Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 English podcast on this game and JVS 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 does anyone have any links to the game. all im finding are assimilated links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaokCT Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 12 hours ago, paokarag4 said: Samaris doesn't have a team, before being let go for free by Benfica he basically hadn't played at all last season. Not to mention he's always been bang average to poor for the Ethniki. Fortounis is injured, so unless we roll him out on his crutches probably couldn't have played. Won't deny Sokratis and Manolas would've helped during this campaign, they have had off-field issues with management that has unfortunately ended their NT careers as long as JVS is at the wheel. But half the guys you mentioned it's not feasible for them to be playing currently. Samaris is done with the NT, he needs to find a club and he wasn't able to find one over the summer, clearly his career is winding down. Stick to AFL re, Blues for the flag next year Cerra to win the Brownlow. Surprised Fetfazidis’ name wasn’t brought up along with Ninis ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brklyngrk Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 11 hours ago, Alphonse said: English podcast on this game and JVS Great podcast - agree with most of what they say. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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