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I had very good experiences with restauranteurs and cabbies etc....I8 found them very reasonable and friendly, generally speaking..

 

I also have no issues with a slight tariff on a tourist compared to a Greek......Cab fares, food, hotels are relatively cheap for a Western Foreigner....Those everyday prices are very cheap for me....to pay 10-20% extra does not bother me....I can afford it and it's much cheaper compared to other parts of western Europe or Melbourne...   BUT ALL THIS HAS T BE WITHIN REASON..

 

 

For example if the Hotel room is at 40euro per night (for locals)...Charging me 45-55 is ok...not 100...

 

 

@Bananas

 

comments like Greeks can't be tamed are more harmful than useful....

 

so we accept and understand we have issues, yet we refuse to move forward....  that is actually quite disturbing and sad...

this is where all the 'stereotypes' begin....we fuel the fire..

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The flip side to all this and what makes us appreciate Greece are the everyday people who are very helpful and quite nice.  I have had the cab driver who for some bizarre reason, did not want to do multiple drop offs for each passenger in the taxi even though he was being paid for the service (something about not being a bus driver).  But the good far outweighs the bad. Red Sheriff is correct, the prices that are charged in Greece are far cheaper than the rest of western europe. 

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@Bananas

 

comments like Greeks can't be tamed are more harmful than useful....

 

so we accept and understand we have issues, yet we refuse to move forward....  that is actually quite disturbing and sad...

this is where all the 'stereotypes' begin....we fuel the fire..

 

The wording and interpretation is yours not mine.

 

I was referring to Greek resistance/stubbornness.  I probably shouldn't have used the word resistance.  It's been misinterpreted, but the point remains the same.  And that is, that getting the citizens of Greece to run their country in a manner similar to Germany or some other modernized nation is not only difficult to do, it's almost impossible at the moment.  Maybe it's just not realistic in the time frame desired by the EU.

 

This thread has one common theme, and that is that Greece needs reforms.  And there are ideas and suggestions of what some of those reforms should be.  But as to actual implementation details ... well, that's the hard part.  It's easy enough to pass a bill through parliament saying "tax collection this and that", but getting the tax collectors to work properly, and then the judiciary and police to enforce those laws, and to make the reform work properly and holistically, that's the hard part.  When it comes to the specifics of how to fix things, conversations mostly go quiet.

 

Oh no, now I've done it.  Here come the posts now about how it's impossible to have reform while any left leaning government is in power ...

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Meanwhile in another EU country

 

Massive debts of up to 40 fat cats written off by IBRC in deals costing taxpayer 1billion euros

 

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/massive-debts-up-40-fat-5841114

 

You see you can blame the 'greek mentality' and 'lazy non tax paying greeks' all you like but regardless of where you are in the EU this sort of thing goes on but it doesn't outrage people, just like that, the debt of rich people has been socialised and working people in Ireland will now have to foot the bill through 'austerity' and cuts. 

 

And we read on here that its only Greeks that have a problem with the EU. It baffles me as to why people give the real thieves a free pass. 

 

 

meanwhile here in the UK another millionaire is ripping off the tax payer, why doesn't he pay for his own security? but hey lets all get upset at those claiming unemployment benefit, and vent our spleen at them for all the UKs debt problems.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3120860/Globetrotter-Blair-s-16-000-weekly-bill-security-pay-Former-PM-said-travelling-five-countries-week-team-eight-police-officers.html

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Hospitals are running out of sheets, painkillers, and other types of supplies yet the Greek government is busy releasing "technical" papers blaming everyone else besides themselves for the problem.  This government came in here with no plan and you can tell we are down to the end now and they still have no plan.  One minute they say a deal is close, the next minute they are trying to scare Europe by calling Russia, then the next minute they are asking for nazi reparations.  What an amateur crew.  The European leaders have to wonder where did these people come from and how is it possible to elect a group of idiots like these.

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Hospitals are running out of sheets, painkillers, and other types of supplies yet the Greek government is busy releasing "technical" papers blaming everyone else besides themselves for the problem.  This government came in here with no plan and you can tell we are down to the end now and they still have no plan.  One minute they say a deal is close, the next minute they are trying to scare Europe by calling Russia, then the next minute they are asking for nazi reparations.  What an amateur crew.  The European leaders have to wonder where did these people come from and how is it possible to elect a group of idiots like these.

 

I agree, the ND posse were so much more malleable.

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To pick up on the urban legend that Tsipras was courting "his Russian comrads". The meeting between Tsipras and Putin in Russia was scheduled under Samaras and the previous government. According to both Russia and Greek governments, no money/loans was requested nor discussed.

Why let the facts get in the way of trolls trying to paint their distorted picture. Like I said, this is the type of bollocks you read on the comments section of British sites. Real shame we put up with it here as well.

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the tragic tale and human side of the real price of cuts and austerity in Greece, read and weep and some demand more cuts to 'balance the books' Greece cannot continue on in this union. I've read some heartless comments at the end of the article, which is not surprising really as I've read the same from fellow Greeks on here. 

Be honest with yourselves when I ask if those dying and being mistreated in those hospitals are the reason the country is in debt.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3123060/Babies-held-hostage-medical-fees-porters-paramedics-19-20-cut-searing-despatch-Athens-s-blood-soaked-hospitals-shows-Greece-literally-dying-leave-Euro.html

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No sympathy, I reckon if they all voted for who ever you told them to they'd still be in this same situation. You don't care for people even your own, you're an apologist for the real crooks above who have syphoned off all the money.

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No sympathy, I reckon if they all voted for who ever you told them to they'd still be in this same situation. You don't care for people even your own, you're an apologist for the real crooks above who have syphoned off all the money.

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I'm not sure if any of you guys do twitter but @GreekAnalyst is pretty good.  So the negotiations lasted a whole 45 mins today before it was deemed that the sides were too far apart.  One thing I will say is that Europe needs to throw a drop dead date.  These fake deadlines are ridiculous.  Just say a decision needs to be made by this date or else an exit will occur.  Nobody is taking anyone serious now.

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The people that make up this government are so brain dead.  A month back I remember someone from Syriza being interviewed on Greek tv saying that Europe could just print them money and give it to them.  Like all they needed was a printer and a computer to solve this.  The sad thing is that this person was serious too.

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The people that make up this government are so brain dead.  A month back I remember someone from Syriza being interviewed on Greek tv saying that Europe could just print them money and give it to them.  Like all they needed was a printer and a computer to solve this.  The sad thing is that this person was serious too.

seems the ECB is printing money as we speak, how do you think money is created? the UK and the ECB create and pump money into their economy all the time, i believe they call it 'quantititive easing' its all a farce, designed to exert control over member states.

 

Syriza, the new Greek government that intended to rescue Greece from austerity, has come a cropper. The government relied on the good will of its EU ?partners,? only to find that its ?partners? had no good will.  The Greek government did not understand that the only concern was the bottom line, or profits, of those who held the Greek debt.

The Greek people are as out to lunch as their government. The majority of Greeks want to remain in the EU even though it means that their pensions, their wages, their social services, and their employment opportunities will be reduced.  Apparently for Greeks, being a part of Europe is worth being driven into the ground.

The alleged ?Greek crisis? makes no sense whatsoever.  It is obvious that Greece cannot with its devastated economy repay the debts that Goldman Sachs hid and then capitalized on the inside information, helping to cause the crisis. If the solvency of the holders of the Greek debt, apparently the NY hedge funds and German and Dutch banks, depends on being repaid, the European Central Bank could just follow the example of the Federal Reserve and print the money to secure the Greek debt.  The ECB is already printing 60 billion euros a month to save the European financial system, so why not include Greece?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/starvation-is-the-price-greeks-will-pay-for-remaining-in-the-eu/5455939

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The country is falling apart but Comrade Tsipras was in Russia.  How anyone can defend this clown is beyond me.  The banks are about to shut down and he's in Russia.  Dude, Greece is a western country, get the hell out of Russia and get a deal done.  Europe needs to stop loaning the banks money.  Squeeze them even more.  Tsipiras and the "Finance Minister Rock Star" need to be hung in a public square for what they are doing to the Greek citizens.

 

Great to see people without ponytails and black hoods in Syntagma for a change.

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How anyone can think ill of Varoufakis is bizarre.  You may disagree with his economic views, but talk of hanging and mocking, well your heart is black.  That's for sure.  I think, beyond repair or redemption.

 

This has been a political thread for some time, with no real economic dialogue.

 

Maybe the Junta can come back and hang them.  Then you can have a big party and celebrate.

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