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Friends,

It's been a week since the US general election, and a new page in American politics has started. Let's put the other thread to rest, because it escalated into personal attacks, so let's respectfully discuss the new president's tenure and related matters here. 

Let's remind ourselves that the point of this forum is to welcome a diversity of people and ideas, and to have a good time, even when we disagree with others; and, it'll be fun, because we'll be having a civilized discussion, right?...

So, president-elect Trump....  We'll be watching but who can say what he'll actually do? How do you judge his first moves and statements?

 

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His acceptance speech was really graceful, and he wants to unify the US. That is a really good start from a logical point of view, however it is a softening of his pre-election rhetoric.  The softening is not a bad thing. Running a country is very different to running a business deal. But you can see the parallels already in Trump's early statements and actions. He promised a lot to appeal to a certain part of the electorate, that was just his starting point to close the deal (winning the election). Then he tends to renegotiate from a position of strength = his policies/words not inline with his rhetoric.

For the sake of the world Trump needs to be a success. I just hope he has more of a plan than the UK's brexiters.  Nearly six months later, no tangible plan, just a bunch of buffoons contradicting themselves and running into brick wall after brick wall. 

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I've been saying that Trump has been making things up as he goes. He's a great b.s artist who tells people what they want to hear, but he's also a superb con artist in that he sells you his polished turd. That's his strength, as a candidate and as a salesman of his business. He's been selling crap for gold. Anywho....

In his last speech before the election he said, "drain the swamp." Then on Sunday he gives and interview (60 Minutes TV magazine) and when asked about how come his transition team and possible appointees are lobbyists, so he said something like, that's the people I can find....

Anyway, I'm willing to give him a chance and judge him on Jan. 20th 2017 when his full gov will be in place, and throughout his presidency, but so far the joke is on the people who voted for him. Let's see what he does with his BIG promises and main policy proposals of his campaign.

So, I want to see a WALL, not a puny fense here and there; HR Clinton prosecuted for murdering people in Benghazi, and giving national secrets to enemies of the US, that nasty woman; and deportation of 2-3 million of illegals.  I want to see completely repealing Obamacare and replacing with "something tremendous." I wan to see factories and jobs come back to the US. I want to see how he handles foreign policy and exhibits his superior knowledge than our generals, etc. etc. By the way, so far the State Dept hasn't received a call from Trump's transition team.  Again, he has 2 months before he gets to work, but there are indications how he thinks about government and the people he's choosing to run it.

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I agree with Hudson.  I want to see the wall, all the jobs brought back, prosecute Hillary, crush Isis, repeal Obamacare and replace it with something better, rebuild all the infrastructure.  I can't wait!

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When it comes to economics ...... David is a person I enjoy listening to .... he is very intelligent and he knows all the right people

 

http://business.financialpost.com/investing/investing-pro/david-rosenberg-why-trumps-infrastructure-and-tax-cut-plans-will-pave-the-road-to-economic-ruin

David Rosenberg: Why Trump’s infrastructure and tax-cut plans will pave the road to economic ruin

 

"As for the personal tax cuts, what is strange is that the Trump plan, as it stands, cuts taxes for everyone. The country simply cannot afford it.

And the top 1 per cent of income earners see a 14 percentage point reduction in their tax rates; everyone else gets a four percentage point cut — the bottom-fifth receive the grand total of a one percentage point cent cut to their rates.

This is bad economics and it is bad politics.

Bad economics because what you want to do as a fiscal policymaker is to cut taxes the most in the segments of the population that have the highest marginal propensities to consume. This is how you get the biggest bang for the buck from an aggregate demand standpoint."

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"But how would Donald Trump know that? His economic team was filled with hedge fund managers. "

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......................................................

 

 

"The plan is bad politics because one of the reasons for all the angst and anxiety is the gaping and record level of income inequality — not just about globalization and automation depleting the ranks of the middle class.

Yet Donald Trump’s policies will merely exacerbate the income inequality in society, and this will set up for a very interesting battle with the left-leaning liberals in the Democratic Party in 2020 — the next election is only 1,448 days away. And Bernie Sanders’ message resonated during the primaries, of that there is little doubt.

To top it all off, two-thirds of the income tax relief next year would be offset by the across-the-board tariffs that the president-elect said he would impose during the campaign.

Now maybe he wasn’t being serious. Oops, I mean literal. Maybe nothing he said should be accepted at face value. But import duties had been part of his economic plan all along, and if implemented, will cost the consumer roughly $130 billion at the cash registers.

In fact, what the working class will be left with is a negative income effect from all this, since it is the lower and middle class that buy most of their imported goods from places like China and Mexico. They certainly aren’t buying Italian suits, French perfume, Dutch chocolates or German cars."

more  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......................................................

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"The stock market seems to think that money grows on trees. But the reality is that a dollar borrowed today is a dollar sacrificed for economic growth in the future.

The debt-to-GDP ratio under the Trump plan goes from 77 per cent today to 105 per cent by 2026. Within a decade, the United States will look like a peripheral European country.

I can understand fully the backlash against the Clintons, but I cannot believe anyone deliberately voted for fiscal ruin.

Not just that, but Trump wants the Fed to hike rates. I mean, who does that? “Here, I’m going to raise trillions of dollars on new debt; please make it more costly for me.”

No wonder he had that US$900 million carryforward that allowed him to pay no federal income tax — it’s because the King of Debt maybe adores it a bit too much."

 

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......................................................

Reality ..... slowly ....but surely

 

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Here is the rub, and the people deserve to know it. Under the Trump plan, debt-servicing costs, which now absorb seven cents of every federal revenue dollar, will drain 25 cents by 2020.

In 10 years’ time, one-quarter of all revenues will go to service a debt load that will breach US$30 trillion under his watch, matching what will be devoted to Medicare at the time.

I call that a travesty and my hope is that Paul Ryan is working off the same spreadsheet I am and comes to the same conclusion.

This is more than just probing the outer limits of deficit finance ‎— it is sending the United States into a dangerously weak fiscal position.

Remember, in 10 years, the first wave of baby boomers turn 80 and the median hits 70 — and their health is more likely to be eroding than improving.

To reiterate, it is 100 per cent true that monetary policy has hit the wall. That happened a while ago and is to be expected at the zero bound.

The challenge is that fiscal policy also is tapped out and the multiplier impact subsides at ever higher debt-to-income ratios. We have long seen this in Japan. We are seeing it now in real-time in China, and to a large extent in Canada as well.

In other words, there is no baton to be passed from monetary to fiscal policy. While the market does feed off this perception today, at some point reality will set in.

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Enjoy Trump!!! Have some today..

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2 hours ago, Hudson said:

I've been saying that Trump has been making things up as he goes. He's a great b.s artist who tells people what they want to hear, but he's also a superb con artist in that he sells you his polished turd. That's his strength, as a candidate and as a salesman of his business. He's been selling crap for gold. Anywho....

In his last speech before the election he said, "drain the swamp." Then on Sunday he gives and interview (60 Minutes TV magazine) and when asked about how come his transition team and possible appointees are lobbyists, so he said something like, that's the people I can find....

Anyway, I'm willing to give him a chance and judge him on Jan. 20th 2017 when his full gov will be in place, and throughout his presidency, but so far the joke is on the people who voted for him. Let's see what he does with his BIG promises and main policy proposals of his campaign.

So, I want to see a WALL, not a puny fense here and there; HR Clinton prosecuted for murdering people in Benghazi, and giving national secrets to enemies of the US, that nasty woman; and deportation of 2-3 million of illegals.  I want to see completely repealing Obamacare and replacing with "something tremendous." I wan to see factories and jobs come back to the US. I want to see how he handles foreign policy and exhibits his superior knowledge than our generals, etc. etc. By the way, so far the State Dept hasn't received a call from Trump's transition team.  Again, he has 2 months before he gets to work, but there are indications how he thinks about government and the people he's choosing to run it.

 

 

other than the fact you misspelled FENCE ---- great post

 

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I know John Oliver has a selective focus and exaggerates to make comedic comments, but his latest (last for the year) show was interesting. 

 

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I don't agree Amorgos...Australia is extremely right wing..especially the mainstream media outlets.. and their mass followers... who immediately brand any form of opinion as PC bullshit and brand anyone who has a contrary view to mainstream as a radical lefty tree hugger..

the bogan red nick culture rules here today..

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On 11/16/2016 at 9:32 PM, ThrylosG7 said:

Cant Obama give Clinton a presidential pardon before he leaves ?? Also about Preibus I put this in the other topic but it probably belongs here - regarding Trump and his position on Greece - his relationship with the Heritage Foundation and their stance on Macedonia 

 

The president can't pardon ..future convictions. Clinton has not been convicted in a court of law only in the court of public opinion.

Priebus as CoS will do what's best for Trump and the Republican party, and they don't care about Macedonia. I'd worry more about general Flynn, who's pro-Turkish.

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That's not true.  Obama can pardon her for "past" crimes.  They mentioned in an article where Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon for past crimes.

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You're right, Gyros. I was thinking of future prosecution. But, yes, the president can pardon for crimes related to specific cases that have not gone to trial yet, like Ford did for Nixon.

However, Obama's office said, after the election, that Clinton had not asked for a pardon nor was the president offered to give one. Obama will probably be the only president in decades not to issue pardons for political associates or supporters.

Of course, after he destroys the republic and turns it into a Muslim theocracy ala ISIS (which he founded as per Trump), he can pardon himself. Sweet!   But he better hurry up.... I think this will happen between xmas and new year's when the nation is preoccupied with the holidays.

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On 19/11/2016 at 1:14 PM, Amorgos said:

Sheriff, we are talking the same language, for example, Channel 9, 10 and 7 IMO are all lefties - always on the Political Correct train, against Trump, pro gay marriage and making it sound like there is something wrong with been against it and thinking for yourself etc... that is left wing

no....mainstream media is very right wing in australia.

with the exception of a couple of shows...

the anti trump campaign was based on people thinking he was an unstable nut job,....not on being lefty..

gay marriage has 'support' on the basis that to think otherwise is 'openly discriminatory'  even hard core right wingers support gay marriage for that reason...

generally the mainstream here ..media and people are very right of center..

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YES....we will disagree....

May be different in Sydney..

But in Melbourne Herald- Sun ,3AW  Ch.9 and 7....are on the Pauline Hanson spectrum...

perhaps your views are very right wing..and any variation is seen as 'lefty'..

a bit like anyone who is not advocating for all Sudanese to be deported..even the ones born here..is considered a mad lefty and too PC??

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Horrors! What happened to "lock'er up"?!

I heard that the Clinton mafia had a contract on the Trump family. I think that explains the Don's reneging on his promise to prosecute "crooked Hillary."

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As an American (yes, a liberal), I have to say I'm very worried. His conflicts of interest with his business are massive and it's clear he will use the presidency to get rich. We can only hope he backtracks on his more extreme promises and disavow the blatant neo-Nazis and racists who have been emboldened by his victory. The less influence guys like Steve Bannon have the better. But it seems quite clear he has Trump's ear. After all, he led him to a truly stupendous upset win.  And I am very afraid by the way he attacks the press, which is not perfect but a crucial pillar of our democracy.

Greek Americans, what do you think? Any stats on how the community voted?

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More of a moderate, more likely to vote Republican though.  He does scare me, the one thing that I find solace in is that he does tend to flip flop.  I believe all the things he said during the campaign were for the cameras and not how he will actually govern.  I believe he will defer a lot to his administration. The fact that he even had a meeting for Mitt Romney should be encouraging,  especially for such a senior position.

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ng with Trump

Donald Trump didn’t mention NAFTA in his YouTube address that discussed priorities for his first 100 days as U.S. president. But a leaked briefing note suggests that renegotiating America’s free trade agreement with Canada and Mexico is high on his to-do list. It says he plans to instruct the U.S. Commerce Department to study how the U.S. could pull out of the pact and what the impact would be. With nearly 75 per cent of Canada’s exports sold south of the border, it’s imperative Ottawa do whatever it takes to ensure that the longstanding U.S.-Canada trade relationship, worth US$1.4 trillion annually, continues to thrive.

 

 

 

--what will all the Canadian trumpsters do?

 

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10 minutes ago, aek66 said:

if trump does those things along with penalizing businesses who brazenly utilize illegals as workers, he'll cement the republican party in a good place, going forward.

Ha! Do you know who uses the undocumented workers?...  It's business owned by Republicans, from farms, to factories, to construction, to meat processing plants, to affluent who use nannies, to landscapers, to ..you name it.

He's now talking about a ..fence. We won't built a wall, nor will he deport more than Obama did. And, he may even legalize a bunch of them.

It took a non-traditional Republican to deliver the presidency to the GOP by running on themes traditionally Dems did.

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I don't think he will be ok if he just deports illegals.  The people that voted for him want factories back, to rip up NAFTA, to rebuild America etc...  Doubling down on illegals is a losers strategy and it doesn't help Jim-Bob who works at Walmart for $9.50 hour.  Trump told him that we will win so much, we will be sick of winning.  Deporting illegals only gives a boner to the KKK.  The rest of America cares about jobs and health care.

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donald should put Alex Jones as SoS. 

 

Bunch of wackos. Can't believe some people actually believe this BS. Greatest human after Jesus and alexander.  Did he really just say that? Really???? The delusion is grand. g or should I say gravitass. 

Emergency broadcast. Meds required. 

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