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Trump is not the problem; the DNC (i.e. the Democratic National Committee) is.

When Carter (screwed by OPEC, unpopular thanks to OPEC, and sabotaged by his own party) was defeated in 1978, the Democratic National Committee decided that the plebe that voted Democratic could not be trusted to choose electable candidates. In the future the DNC would choose its own super-delegates who would enable the choice of good candidates.

In 2016 those who read newspapers read that:

  1. The super-delegates were 15% of the total. Therefore, if the elected delegates were Sanders 49% and Clinton 36% of the total, Mrs Clinton would have been the Democratic candidate.

  2. At the New Hampshire’s primary Sanders received 60.4% of the poll vote and Mrs Clinton 38%, of the poll vote. Sanders had 15 voted delegates; Mrs Clinton had 9 elected delegates and 6 superdelegates. Is that possible that the the D in DNC stands for Double-dealing?

  3. On October 30, 2016, the DNC interim chair Donna Brazile was fired from her position as a political commentator at CNN over e-mail leaks suggesting she had improperly supplied Hillary Clinton’s campaign with advance knowledge of debate-questions.

  1. Let us move beyond the lady Macbeth aspects of the DNC. How idiotic must one be in order to manage to lose an election against a pathetic bimbo? This demands great talent. Examples:

α) Trump brags that he will bring the factories back to the USA; the DP claims that the new factories will use robots and the unemployed will remain unemployed.

β) The DP is all for clean energy. What about the coal-miners in WV? Under the DP plan they will live longer because of cancer avoidance. Moreover, since they will have less money, their life-span will feel even longer.

γ) In the US the members of every group live, on the average, longer than the previous generation. With one exception; low-class whites. To the best of my limited knowledge, the DP has no plan for them.

My impression is that Trump is not the problem. The doctor Frankenstein that created him is.

 

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Dr Frankenstein indeed.

Trump took everyone by surprise.  Early in the GOP nomination process, when there were still a dozen or so candidates, the sneering  and contempt towards Trump was something to behold.  Fair enough, the man is an imbecile and who didn’t mock him.

But by the time he’d won the candidacy, Clinton should’ve been very afraid.  Instead she felt safe because Oprah was on her side.  With her head comfortably up her ass she proceeded to lose to a baboon.  Unfit for the fight, she lost the unloseable.  A poor candidate who seemed out of her depth against Trump.  Ridiculous and self entitled.  But it’s ok, all those movie stars have your back so how can you lose.

Trump is corrupt, a liar, delusional, a megalomaniac and thoroughly unfit.  Clinton was just old and thoroughly out of touch.  I imagine she still wakes some mornings and can’t understand how she lost.  When you don’t know your own country, that’s what happens.  Feed them cake indeed.  Maybe spend 5 minutes with people who earn less than 500K a year.  It’s all right, you can always wash the stench of the poor off you afterwards.

I wonder what the establishment has learnt from this.

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The DNC is the problem and not Trump? Seriously dude?

Without wanting to defend the DNC, let's put things in perspective. The US political parties are much more democratic than most parties in western democracies, because they have ceded so much power to the voters. Let's not forget that a political party wants to keep as much control of their own affairs as possible. It used to be (and it's the case of most parties) that the party leaders decide who should be on the ticket and who can elect the next party leader. They were doing that until the 1970s (for the Dems) and 1980s (for the Repubs) when those parties opened up the selections process to the average voter.  Any voter can chose a party to participate in (in some states a voter can decide on same day of election) a party's selection process. No fees, no formal application, no admittance requirements. How many parties do you know that they do this???.

The super-delegates was an attempt by the Dems to keep some control.... the main objective of the party regulars & leaders is to win elections. Often the activist base is more radical (the more extreme elements of both parties participate in the primaries) and the may select candidates who are not suited for the general election.

As for the Sanders-Clinton race, the super delegates did NOT play a role. Nor have they played a role in that to reverse what the base has voted during the primary season. Clinton got millions more votes than Sanders. No serious analyst believes that the bias of the DNC in favor of Clinton helped her; actually it hurt her once people found out, so Sanders got a boost of contributions, publicity, and votes. Looking back, some people today say Sanders could have beaten Trump, but back then Clinton was thought as a stronger candidate for the general election. I'm still not convinced Sanders would have fared better, because socialism is not yet as acceptable in the US. And, the majority of the Dem party was not behind him, not in the primaries, among the Dem voters who participated in the selection process,  and not among the larger voter base that tends to vote Democratic in the general election.

Mind you, I voted for Sanders...

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Hudson, you’re not getting it.  My point is that America has a massive (and I mean MASSIVE) social divide.  The quality of life for a lot of people that voted for Trump, their general level of education, their income and outlook on life is limited.

If you repeated what you just said (and I do understand it and appreciate it) what they just heard is blah blah, blah blah, blah blah blah blah.

You have Hillary who offers them nothing, big fat ZEROES.  Then you get Ouga Bouga saying ME STRONG, ME MAKE YOUR LIFE BETTER, ME FIX AMERICA while he beats his chest.  Hillary laughed, the media laughed, the establishment laughed ... we laughed.  And Ouga Bouga won.

Why did she offer them nothing ?  That I will never know.  I can only assume because she (and the DP) thought surely they couldn’t lose.

Hillary should’ve prepared better and been wiser and read the lay of the land instead of assuming she couldn’t lose.  Her haughtiness gave government to Ouga Bouga.  I dare say he can read the lay of the land better than her.  Give the superficial masses the garbage they want to hear.  As for the DP, they are no party at all, for if they were, Sanders would’ve been the candidate.  But Hillary couldn’t have that now could she.

Again, what has the establishment learned from this ?  The next election will be interesting.  We will see if this was a one off or if a pattern is emerging.

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My opening post (it asserted that the DNC was the midwife that brought Trumpism to the USA and Trump to the White House) received criticisms. The criticisms are listed in red (below), and after each criticism I added, in black, the reasons for which I continue to believe that theTrumpian teratogenesis was midwifed by the Democratic party and the DNC.

The DNC is the problem and not Trump? Seriously dude?

Should I assume that my post was so robustly logical that you decided that I must be male? or did you find it so illogical

that you decided that I am male?

Without wanting to defend the DNC, let's put things in perspective. The US political parties are much more democratic than most parties in western democracies

I knew a fellow who was upset because he was cuckolded; no one stopped to inform him that many men were cuckolded more often than he and, therefore, he should consider himself blessed.

a political party wants to keep as much control of their own affairs as possible

A mafia padrino, e.g. Sam Giancana, controls his domain. But he does not insult his victims' intelligence by asking their opinion

The super-delegates was an attempt by the Dems to keep some control....

Exactly. The insiders treat the voters as infants.

As for the Sanders-Clinton race, the super delegates did NOT play a role

So what? Once, during a poker game, a player had a winning hand; four aces. Unfortunately, he was so exited that when he tried to collect the money, another foursome of aces came out his cuff. Although he had the the winning hand, his intent to fool the other players nullified his hand. He did receive something, but it was not money.

Mind you, I voted for Sanders...

So what? One of the reasons that the plebe does not cotton to the Democrats and the well-off (I believe) is the tendency of the Democrats to talk to the plebe in such a way that the plebe hears the following message:

I am smarter than you, better educated than you, better paid than you and morally perfect, unlike you. Be smart for the first time in your life and do as you're told.

Nowadays, almost everyone goes around stating that Trump is a clown and should not be the president. This, I believe, and not only is an instance of political masturbation. Reasonable people are asking which errors resulted in the teratogenesis. Crazy people believe that the same strategy in the same environment is likely to produce different results.


 

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8 hours ago, AchillesHeel said:

^^^^So you believe Trump was a result of errors and not an orchestrated sequence of events that were ridiculously obvious in attaining an end?

What orchestration man ?  Did Russia brainwash 300 million Americans ?  Let’s not get into that because it’s missing the point.

There are too many crying moral outrage at Trump when in reality he’s only done what politicians have done since time immemorial.  The only difference is he’s sunk to new lows.  So should we now feel sorry for Hillary because she couldn’t deal with the dirty fight ?

Trump did not have the backing of his party (crazy I know).  He did not have the backing of the media or celebrities.  He had less money also.  And yet he won.  He is supremely corrupt and without any semblance of good human virtues.  A pig of man, a swine for sure.  But as a politician, he was much better than Hillary.  He ran a better race.  Why is that so hard to understand ?

The saddest part of all of this, at least to me, is that the DP are feeling sorry for themselves, or outrage at Trump, when they should be angry at themselves.

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....  what are the keratades that have not been cuckolded?

I assume that you know that the word κερατάς does not  necessarily mean cuckolded.  If so, I wonder how many understood the ambiguity of your comment

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53 minutes ago, Bananas said:

What orchestration man ?  Did Russia brainwash 300 million Americans ?  Let’s not get into that because it’s missing the point.

There are too many crying moral outrage at Trump when in reality he’s only done what politicians have done since time immemorial.  The only difference is he’s sunk to new lows.  So should we now feel sorry for Hillary because she couldn’t deal with the dirty fight ?

Trump did not have the backing of his party (crazy I know).  He did not have the backing of the media or celebrities.  He had less money also.  And yet he won.  He is supremely corrupt and without any semblance of good human virtues.  A pig of man, a swine for sure.  But as a politician, he was much better than Hillary.  He ran a better race.  Why is that so hard to understand ?

The saddest part of all of this, at least to me, is that the DP are feeling sorry for themselves, or outrage at Trump, when they should be angry at themselves.

I don't believe any foreign influence played a major part in the election....only that in a world full of monopolies and privatization the role of "president of the United States of America" the match ups of candidates are not left to chance....little Hillary stood no chance running for the post from the get-go.

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Little Hillary never stood a chance.  I’m actually not sure if you’re being satirical or not. If you are being sincere, then I apologise.

As to Little Hillary, I can’t believe she was the underdog.  She had all the advantages she could’ve asked for.

I think she simply, along with the establishment, and the media, and us, misread the mood of a large portion of the country.  This is the point I keep trying to drive home i.e. that she and the DP made a huge error by not seeing this.  I can excuse the media because they are so partisan they can’t see straight.  I can excuse us, because hey we have lives and don’t have the time to see this.  But the DP and Hillary, what is their excuse for not seeing the danger ?  And you know what I believe ?  That it was pure 100% unadulterated hubris.  Surely he can’t win ... surely people will see he’s an imbecile.  Not good enough ... and now Dr. Stranglelove has the nuclear launch codes.

It’s been a ride I gotta say.  The gift that just keeps on giving.  Just this week with the anonymous op-ed, damn that was some good reading.  Side note, I’m actually really interested to see what the next election result will be.

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My Oprah comment was satire....not my belief that Hillary was destined to fail against Trump from the moment the DP went with her.

20 minutes ago, Bananas said:

I think she simply, along with the establishment, and the media, and us, misread the mood of a large portion of the country.  This is the point I keep trying to drive home i.e. that she and the DP made a huge error by not seeing this.  I can excuse the media because they are so partisan they can’t see straight.  I can excuse us, because hey we have lives and don’t have the time to see this.  But the DP and Hillary, what is their excuse for not seeing the danger ?  And you know what I believe ?  That it was pure 100% unadulterated hubris.  Surely he can’t win ... surely people will see he’s an imbecile.  Not good enough ... and now Dr. Stranglelove has the nuclear launch codes.

I can understand your point of view that it was a gross error....but if you take a step back and look at all the sequences of all the events that put Trump in office my personal opinion is that it was no error....no conspiracy theories, russian meddling, etc. A simple manipulation of the "democratic" process where you have a candidate who is willing to pass certain policies and ideals so you place an opponent who is discredited and detached from the general population to guarantee victory.

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On 9/8/2018 at 4:53 PM, Bashibozuk said:

My impression is that Trump is not the problem. The doctor Frankenstein that created him is.

WTF are you talking about? Is it not the Republican party that gave birth to a candidate the likes of Trump? Is it not the Republican party  that experimented with aborted creations the likes of Sara Palin and the Tea Party?

It's either the Republican party failed to stop Trump in his tracks or is complicit in giving birth to this monster. Either way they bear the entire responsibility for the arrival of this xenophobic larval stage of a yam that responds to the name of Trump.

The Republican party is responsible for propping up Trump, defending him against possible legal and ethical inquiries. 

7 hours ago, Bananas said:

What orchestration man ?  Did Russia brainwash 300 million Americans ?  Let’s not get into that because it’s missing the point.

Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes, Wisconsin by 22,748, Pennsylvania by 44,292. It's amazing what a 'little' Russian propaganda can accomplish if it targets the right people and places. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by more than 2.9 million votes. 

One can safely say that Hillary Clinton lost the election. The Republican party and their flag bearer won the 2016 election. Let's see what history ends up saying about this.

The Republican party gave us Rosemary's baby. Sorry to say, your Dr. Frankenstein wasn't a part of the 2016 thriller of a movie.

Somehow this feels like deja vu. Been here, done this before. Or was it last night in my neighborhood bar?

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5 hours ago, Bananas said:

But the DP and Hillary, what is their excuse for not seeing the danger ?

It's called Republic Party, US Senate and Mitch McConnell (aka the Turtle). Need to keep up with timeline of events?

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6 hours ago, AchillesHeel said:

A simple manipulation of the "democratic" process where you have a candidate who is willing to pass certain policies and ideals so you place an opponent who is discredited and detached from the general population to guarantee victory.

Oh boy! You really think the dumbF***s have a brain?  Trump's base is what? About 27% or Republicans? The rest of the Republicans that voted for Trump were hoping that the checks and balances of the US  democratic institutions would keep him at bay. Now that we see him slowly tearing apart the fabrics of American democracy, do you think Republicans will have enough votes stay in power?

I don't think so. Baring some newly started war or Russian hacking (with the blessings of the Republican party) this November should be the end of the line for Trump and Republicans. If Democrats win, they'll have a big mess to clean up. (A scathing attack by a veteran Republican congressional staffer)

And then we can safely say: Look what's happened to Rosemary's Baby.

 

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On 9/10/2018 at 8:53 PM, Bashibozuk said:

The DNC is the problem and not Trump? Seriously dude?

Should I assume that my post was so robustly logical that you decided that I must be male? or did you find it so illogical

that you decided that I am male?

Without wanting to defend the DNC, let's put things in perspective. The US political parties are much more democratic than most parties in western democracies

I knew a fellow who was upset because he was cuckolded; no one stopped to inform him that many men were cuckolded more often than he and, therefore, he should consider himself blessed.

a political party wants to keep as much control of their own affairs as possible

A mafia padrino, e.g. Sam Giancana, controls his domain. But he does not insult his victims' intelligence by asking their opinion

The super-delegates was an attempt by the Dems to keep some control....

Exactly. The insiders treat the voters as infants.

As for the Sanders-Clinton race, the super delegates did NOT play a role

So what? Once, during a poker game, a player had a winning hand; four aces. Unfortunately, he was so exited that when he tried to collect the money, another foursome of aces came out his cuff. Although he had the the winning hand, his intent to fool the other players nullified his hand. He did receive something, but it was not money.

 


 

My apologies, madam. I assumed that a woman participating in this forum would be more logical and better at drawing analogies than some guy with a simplistic and irrational argument. 

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WTF are you talking about? Is it not the Republican party that …......

  1. When my paintings were stolen while the guards of my hacienda were playing poker, I was not angry with the thieves but I did fire the guards.

  2. When my best friend and my querida simultaneously caught gonorrhea, I was not angry with the bacteria; I just wished to their carriers a long and happy life away from me.

  3. A party that has the means to defeat a clown but chooses to waste its time and energy in endless omphaloscopy has no reason to exist.

  4. The Romans had a good way of handling such situations; decimation!

  5. Today we have become civilized (?); whoever does not know his profession loses his license

  6. If the mandarins of the DP had a scintilla of pride, they would have committed seppuku.

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On 9/11/2018 at 10:54 PM, Bashibozuk said:

When my paintings were stolen while the guards of my hacienda were playing poker, I was not angry with the thieves but I did fire the guards.

Ha, ha! You're so funny! I really don't care what you do in your personal life, but if my mayor said "it's time to tackle home security services" instead of his usual "this is how we tackle crime" then we'd all vote to lock him up in the looney bin. 

Nobody harps on how Croatia was responsible for France winning the World Cup final. As is the norm, winners are responsible for winning. The losing team bears responsibility, only with their fans, of not being able to win the game. 

My point once again is: the Republican Party is responsible for this oozy lather of absurd hyperbole that goes by the name Trump. Any which way you slice or dice it. You can be cute all you want -- entertain people with your gonorrhea stories -- the Republican party, from US Congress to local government is responsible for bringing this fart-infused lump of raw meat to the White House.

Unless of course one voted for Trump and now has to make up some sort of excuse. Ahhh... Let's blame Hillary. Why not? Let's blame the Democrats. Why not? Things don't need to make sense. Just chant "lock her up" a couple of times and you'll get plenty of cranial bee sting victims joining in on the dance. 

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10 hours ago, Bashibozuk said:

Namely

 

10 hours ago, Bashibozuk said:

I really don't care what you do in your personal life, but if my mayor said "it's time to tackle home security services" instead of his usual "this is how we tackle crime" then we'd all vote to lock him up in the looney bin.

During my impersonal life have been instances in which the police and/or the policemen were criminal. I guess that the text below claims that the police could be, and actually was, criminal If you have the time, can you translate for us gringos?

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Para los afroamericanos, la vigilancia policial es "el aspecto más duradero de la lucha por los derechos civiles," porque siempre ha sido un mecanismo para el control racial.
Históricamente, tanto en el sur como en el norte, la policía ha defendido y aplicado el racismo y la segregación—atacando a los manifestantes por los derechos civiles e interrumpiendo las huelgas de los trabajadores afroamericanos que intentan integrar los lugares de trabajo y los barrios.

Una vigilancia policial inteligente que sea capaz de distinguir entre crímenes insignificantes y amenazas graves, entre la mayoría de los residentes respetuosos de la ley y la pequeña minoría de infractores de la ley en una comunidad, es bastante posible. Ocurre todos los días en comunidades blancas a través de los Estados Unidos.

The police and the FBI were at times criminal. Examples:

1) The FBI's COINTELPRO that was criminal.

2)The murder of the civil rights workers James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner (June, 1964) by the KKK that was helped by policemen

3) The FBI had at times collaborated with the MAFIA . E.g.,

     Gregory Scarpa (1928-1994) was a capo and hitman for the Colombo crime family and an informant for the FBI. He is believed to to have murdered 100 to 120 people. Scarpa also helped the FBI for money. His technique was simple. The recalcitrant informer was asked if he preferred to speak or to die.  Scarpa was managed by FBI agent Roy Lindley DeVecchio. Eventually it became clear that DeVechio was leaking confidential information to Scarpa and facilitated crimes.

Let me return to the main subject:

 How and why the Republicans managed to nominate Trump? My impression is that a good percentage of the Republicans' base is unhinged. Look at the “tea party.".

How and why Trump managed to be elected?    My impression is that the Democrats pontificate and piss off the plebe.

One day I had a discussion with a well educated gentleman who did not like what I said and told me “it is not good to be judgmental”! I managed to neither  laugh nor  state that his statement was a boomerang. I remembered in time that the left (light or hard) believes that it is always correct because it is morally superior.  It is also enabling the right  and the Trump-likes.

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The Republican Party didn’t nominate Trump as such.  They tried everything in their power to get one of their other candidates instead.  Cruz, Rubio and others.  The RP most definitely did not want Trump to be the nominee.  In truth Trump is neither a Democrat or a Republican.  Trump is for team Trump.  The tea party movement has definitely played a big role in the way everything transpired in both the nomination and the election.  Crazy people.

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The Republican Party didn’t nominate Trump as such.  They tried everything in their power to get one of their other candidates instead.  Cruz, Rubio and others.  The RP most definitely did not want Trump to be the nominee.  In truth Trump is neither a Democrat or a Republican.  Trump is for team Trump.  The tea party movement has definitely played a big role in the way everything transpired in both the nomination and the election.  Crazy people.

You're right about all the above.  

It shows you that when the parties opened up their nomination (selection) process to the average voters they lost control of the nominating process. This can be good, but in the case of Trump, bad. In a crowded field someone who manages to get a core support of 20-25% can get the nomination as the rest of the field splits the 75% of the vote. Also, in winner-takes-all system (first horse to cross the line), wins all the delegates from a state, you can see how Trump managed to get the nomination.   It's very hard for any party to eventually not accept as their nominee the candidate who has at least the plurality of the delegates. Trump did. Though Trump actually appealed to a greater conservative/nativist/xtian nationalist audience, which is a huge part of the GOP.

Obama had the plurality of pledged (won) delegates, but even the super delegates couldn't vote to overturn this in favor of Clinton in 2008 in the end.  

In NYS the more progressive Dem voters showed up, and defeated many conservative Dems. We saw ...socialists defeating incumbents who spent millions of dollars unsuccessfully.   [To tout my own horn, the NYT quoted me last week, again]  Yes, there's been an increasing polarization between the 2 major parties since the 1980s, and turnout of the party's supporters is the key to outcomes.  

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The Republican Party didn’t nominate Trump as such  .......

Yes! He was nominated because those who could vote at the primaries and did vote handed the nomination to him. Bozos, myself include, value laconic speaking over the convoluted style of lawyers writing a will.

The base of the Republican party (i.e., the reason for which the Republican party exists) nominated Mr. Trump. Why?

In the other party, the nomination was clearly less democratic. The base was attending a daycare class and could speak only when allowed to speak.

My impression is that the plebe, both in Europe and in the USA, has moved towards the Right. If so, a party that embraces the views of the well-off and ignores the fears and misunderstandings of the plebe will hand the election to some rainmaker.

 

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Ms. Stormy Daniels has written her memoirs (details in the Guardian). Therein she describes in excruciating detail the President’s genitals (small with unusual shape) and her disgust with herself for letting the scene play out.

Trump has denied any affair with Ms. Daniels, although he admitted to personally reimbursing his personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, for the money Daniels received in the hush agreement.

Now we can find out if he lies. Ms. Daniels provided a detailed description of his genitals. If he drops his pants we will know (with high probability) if she is lying or not! We will also know if the Democrats managed to be beaten by a fellow misshaped and small in all the possible ways.

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      The initial 2015 audit discovered that workers spent nearly $100,000 at various strip clubs and related adult-oriented establishments, which kinda sounds like nothing when compared with the estimated $1 million spent at casinos. As for how exactly such charges are allowed to exist, the report's findings suggest that Defense Travel Management Office officials and DoD management did not properly explain how the travel cards should be used. Furthermore, DoD officials were not adequately trained on how to discipline those found to have misused the cards. For the complete rundown, read the full report right here.
    • By Reaper
      The hotly anticipated Jason Bourne 5 is now in filming and they selected Greece to play a major part in the film. Original director and team are back so this will be the smash of 2016.
       
      Sadly the Greek Government did not want the film shot in Greece, so they instead will shoot the Athens/Greece scenes in Tenerife..  :tdown:
       

       

       
      http://www.gazzetta.gr/plus/article/802525/dioxame-ton-mat-nteimon-kai-i-tenerifi-egine-ellada-pics
       
      Game of Thrones found similar problems.. and they also decided to go elsewhere.
    • By Tzatziki
      Thoughts? I think some form of campaign finance reform should be seriously considered.
    • By Reaper
      Was interesting, Tsipras was completely pro the Turkish deal. He did not have one red line.
      The Cypriots forced the EU to not open 5 vital EU Chapters on Turkey. The EU agreed and those Chapters remain closed. Tsipras could have asked for Turkey to recognise Greek borders that are constantly violated - sea and air and could have asked Turkey to recognise the Greek status of the islands of the dodeconese. Tsipras could have said Turkey has to scrap Turkey's causi belli against Greece if Greece moved is sea borders to 12 miles. Instead, Tsipras demanded nothing, except Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic and Slovakia (the V4 right wing group) agree to the EU - Turkish deal. Previous Greek PMs also stated Turks would not be allowed to settle on Greek Islands to alter the demographics if the was ever free movenent visa liberalisation for Turks. Tsipras demanded nothing. And Kammenos? The big right wing Greek who cares about security? He said and did nothing.
    • By Dutch Eagle
      Yesterday the draw was made for the Copa America that will be held from June 3rd till June 26th in honour of the 100th anniversary of the South American Football Association CONMEBOL.
      16 countries will compete. Chicago and Boston will be amongst the venues.
      Anyone of you guys living up there intentions to watch a game?
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