Another Mass Shooting in the US

[Tzatziki]

What would be the purpose of this false flag?

[Polikastano]

I believe they want to change the amendment where they have the right to bear arms.   If they fake all these mass shootings , they turn around around and say we need gun control etc etc.  eventually taking away the peoples right to bear arms.

Alex Jones, Jim Fetzer , Jim Marrs look them up on youtube with false flags they explain it well.

[Tzatziki]

Ok, monkeys have a better chance of flying out my brown eye IMO...

[athinaios]

I'm all for "bare arms".....  in warmer climate of course, because these days, your arms would fall off in the frigid temperatures we're having in the northeast.

Yeah, I find it amazing that there are so many people following the NRA, Alex Jones, etc. The conspiracy is not that the gov wants to take guns away but how the gun manufacturers and their political allies have managed to convince so many Americans that guns equal freedom.

[Tzatziki]

Florida School Shooting: ‘No Words’ as 17 Die in a Barrage of Bullets

An AR-15 was used apparently, I wonder if assault rifles will ever be banned in the USA. The only use for them by civilians is mass shootings like this...RIP to the victims, prayers for peace.

[Tzatziki]

Could religion be a factor for that maybe? Plenty of violence in the good book, and religion does make you feel guilty and dirty about all things sexual and your body.

[Lazarus]

3 hours ago, tantra129 said:

He was not old enoug to buy booze but guns. No problem. 

The US has a big-big problem. We are surrendering to the NRA (National Riffle Association) and the Republican Party. Has nothing to do with religion, nothing to do with constitution - it's all about money, profit and political power. The Republicans get greased by the gun lobby and in turn stifle the US Congress from passing laws that would regulate guns. In return the NRA helps politicians fund their election campaigns. And then you have the intellectually challenged individuals that voted for Trump, that do not understand what the Second Amendment of the US Constitution is about, don't want to know and don't want to discuss.

Cornell Law School has an interesting reference on the Second Amendment and it's interpretations by the US Supreme Court over the years.

And since we're talking about States regulating gun control (my reference to Cornell) this is about Florida:

CNN: You don't need a permit or license to buy a gun in Florida. (And you don't have to register your gun either)

@tantra129 How big is your igloo?

[Bananas]

Is it ever noted or discussed in the media that these sort of mass shootings only happen in the U.S. ?  Maybe they're so insular that they don't even look at it from that angle ?

The 2nd amendment argument is obviously bogus but has been twisted and abused beyond all recognition.  If it's going to be like that, then people should have the right to their own bazookas, tanks, jet fighters, hell even a "nucelar" (thanks GWB) bomb.  I mean if the government has those weapons, the people need them also ... just in case.  And you know, I wouldn't mind my own nuclear bomb, but I need to get my own republic first.

Seriously, how many shooting will it take ?  This happens 3 or 4 times a year (or it seems that way).

No one is talking about getting rid of guns completely.  It's just about gun c-o-n-t-r-o-l.  If you let any nut job go and buy a gun over the counter, how can this ever stop ?  It won't!  It'll just keep happening, over and over.

I don't really know anything about the NRA but f**k mate, who are they ?  Gods ?  Doesn't anyone in the U.S. have the balls to take them on ?  I don't buy the politics argument, since the states where the NRA has serious influence are Republican strongholds anyway.  So what's the catch ?  C'mon, put up your dukes and take 'em on!  There must be a lot more to this than meets the eye.  Maybe the NRA are like those old guys in the X-files that are really running the show ...

[Chris Tsamados]

Watch Trump and his cronies (Session) using this as an excuse to batter the FBI for failure to act.

I'm not being funny but if the FBI had to react to everyone  displaying the shooters behavior: desire to kill people, erratic behavior and bizarre social media posts. They'd have to incarcerate half the US population!

Oh and BTW the NRA were doing tweets for Valentines Day telling lovers they should buy each other a gun for a gift! That was swiftly deleted after this latest massacre. 

For the record the UK's last ever mass shooting at a school was the Dunblane Massacre in 1996,. Following that hand gun private ownership was banned. There have been no more mass shootings at a school since. 

Edited February 17, 2018 by Chris Tsamados

[Lazarus]

On 2/15/2018 at 7:22 PM, Bananas said:

I don't really know anything about the NRA but f**k mate, who are they ?  Gods ? 

A reference on CNN:  Why the NRA is so powerful on Capitol Hill, by the numbers

...So why does the group hold such sway? Partly because more than half of congressional incumbents have gotten money and organizational help from the group, with many members having long-standing financial relationships with the NRA that date back years....

[Antaeus7]

Dick's Sporting Goods now are banning guns in there stores. Seems like an interesting move. 

[Epicurus]

The NRA has gotten tons of money from the gun manufacturers (whose interests represents in reality), and has spent lavishly through the Political Action Committees. Plus their members vote. Plus, they employ lots of lobbyists.

Yet, things may be changing. For the first time in my memory big companies are severing their ties to the NRA, and there seems to be a continuing movement for gun control. This also may the year NRA-backed candidates (and the Repub party) suffer big loses in the Nov. elections, not necessarily because of this issue alone, but the message may be loud and clear: we need sensible gun control.

On the federal side, I don't see any serious federal laws as long as Trump is president and Repubs control the Senate.

[Soprano76]

Today there was a high school shooting in Santa Fe, Texas. At least 8 dead, possibly more. 

Perpetrator was 17 year old Dimitrios Pagourtzis, a student at the school. There are Facebook photos of his circling around the internet which show a jacket he owned with communist sickle, german cross, and Cthulu pins. 

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I sure know it isn't "thoughts and prayers" 

[Bananas]

Sadly the only way this will *maybe* change is if there are a series of mass shootings one after the other.

[Antaeus7]

Santa Fe is only 36 miles south of Houston. I know who Dimitrios Pagourtzis is. He was part of a dance group for the Greek Orthodox Church in Clear Lake. He was known to be a quiet individual. I could never imagine he would ever do such evil things. It's very scary to know someone and ends up committing crimes like this. He will get the maximum sentence and will rot in prison forever. Death penalty may not be out of the question. After all, it is Texas. 
 

Edited May 20, 2018 by Molon Lave

[Athens4]

My girlfriend is trying to get me to move to the US. I'd move there for a year or two but they is no way I would raise my kids there. Drop them off at school then have some madman or bullied kid turn up and start shooting? Are you mad?