Blackhawk Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 VS MATCHUP: Olympiakos Piraeus - P.A.O.K. Thessaloniki COMPETITION: Superleague – Round 12 DATE: 01-December-2019 TIME: 19:30 EET (17:30 UTC, 11:30 CST, 04:30 AEDT next day) CITY/STADIUM: Piraeus - G. Karaiskakis Stadium (Capacity: 32,115) REFEREES: Sanchez Martinez Joser Maria - Raul Cabaniero martinez, Indigo Prieto Lopez de Cerain (All Spain) TELEVISION: Novasport 1 (Greece, Cyprus), Sport Plus (USA/Canada/Australia) Olympiakos vs. P.A.O.K. history: Superleague 2018-2019: 0:1 – (49. Own goal) - Attendance: 30,532 2017-2018: 1:0 - Attendance: 30,250 2016-2017: 2:1 (6. Varela) - Attendance: 24,727 2015-2016: 1:0 - Attendance: 29,576 2014-2015: 1:2 (43. Athanasiadis, 49. Pereyra) - Attendance: 28,525 2013-2014: 4:0 - Attendance: 27,189 2012-2013: 0:0 - Attendance: 28,417 2011-2012: 2:1 (24. Balafas) - Attendance: 28,772 2010-2011: 3:0 - Attendance: 30,275 2009-2010: 0:1 (33. Ivic) - Attendance: 15,829 (PLAYOFFS) 2009-2010: 0:1 (20. Edinho) - Attendance: 26,139 2008-2009: 2:0 - Attendance: 29,482 2007-2008: 2:1 (42. Konstantinidis) - Attendance: 28,077 2006-2007: 2:0 - Attendance: 29,140 2005-2006: 1:2 (65. Konstantinidis, 70. Konstantinidis) - Attendance: no fans (The first loss for Olympiakos in the new Karaiskakis Stadium) Alpha Ethniki (Professional) 2004-2005: 5:1 (65. Salpiggidis) - Attendance: 26,792 2003-2004: 1:2 (68. Salpiggidis, 87. Spasic) - Attendance: 9,164 (Rizoupoli Stadium) 2002-2003: 4:3 (35. Kafes, 60. Kafes, 72. Kafes) - Attendance: 9,518 (Rizoupoli Stadium) 2001-2002: 3:2 (54. Georgiadis-p, 57. Georgiadis) - Attendance: 37,825 (OAKA Stadium) 2000-2001: 1:0 - Attendance: 12,925 (OAKA Stadium) 1999-2000: 4:1 (76. Frantzeskos) - Attendance: 11,977 (OAKA Stadium) 1998-1999: 2:1 (3. Vryzas) - Attendance: 16,582 (OAKA Stadium) 1997-1998: 2:0 - Attendance: 32,275 (OAKA Stadium) 1996-1997: 1:0 - Attendance: 14,694 1995-1996: 1:0 - Attendance: 6,191 1994-1995: 2:0 - Attendance: 16,497 1993-1994: 1:0 - Attendance: 12,237 1992-1993: 2:0 - Attendance: 11,527 1991-1992: 3:2 (13. Anastasiadis, 87. Toursounidis) - Attendance: 18,004 1990-1991: 3:2 (75. Anastasiadis, 80. Toursounidis) - Attendance: 23,974 1989-1990: 4:0 - Attendance: 30,716 1988-1989: 0:1 (55. Borbokis) - Attendance: 74,232 (2,000 PAOK fans in attendance) (OAKA Stadium) 1987-1988: 2:1 (44. Lagonidis) - Attendance: 46,027 (OAKA Stadium) 1986-1987: 1:1 (67. Skartados) - Attendance: 53,720 (OAKA Stadium) 1985-1986: 2:0 - Attendance: 37,604 (OAKA Stadium) 1984-1985: 2:1 (89. Paprica) - Attendance: 57,581 (OAKA Stadium) 1983-1984: 1:0 - Attendance: 25,032 1982-1983: 2:0 - Attendance: 28,393 1981-1982: 0:0 - Attendance: 35,450 1980-1981: 1:0 - Attendance: 35,500 1979-1980: 2:0 - Attendance: 34,470 Alpha Ethniki (Amateur/Semi-Professional) 1978-1979: 1:0 - Attendance: 27,704 1977-1978: 0:0 - Attendance: 15,714 1976-1977: 2:0 - Attendance: 39,200 1975-1976: 0:4 (24. Terzanidis, 56. Koudas, 72. Koudas, 78. Guerino) - Attendance: 39,030 1974-1975: 3:2 (4. Sarafis, 88. Sarafis) - Attendance: 39,210 (After the game 500 Olympiakos fans attacked the bus carrying PAOK players injuring Pellios, Tsiligris, Sarafis and Paridis) 1973-1974: 3:0 - Attendance: 41,110 1972-1973: 1:0 - Attendance: 41,052 1971-1972: 1:1 (76. Apostolidis) - Attendance: 37,405 1970-1971: 1:0 - Attendance: 34,960 1969-1970: 1:1 (24. Afentoulidis) - Attendance: 40,000 1968-1969: 3:0 - Attendance: 21,116 1967-1968: 0:1 (32. Afentoulidis) - Attendance: 28,914 1966-1967: 3:2 (67. Afentoulidis, 80. Charalambidis) - Attendance: 40,250 1965-1966: 2:0 - Attendance: 28,042 1964-1965: 5:2 (41. Koudas, 80. Litopoulos) - Attendance: 15,951 1963-1964: 2:0ff - Attendance: 24,796 (Nea Filadelfia Stadium) (Olympiakos wins 2:0 on forfeit as PAOK abandoned the game in the 34th minute, when Bulgarian referee Rumencev did not call a penalty on a handball inside Olympiakos box) 1962-1963: 3:2 (5. Savvidis, 67. Giakoumis)) - Attendance: 24,170 1961-1962: 6:0 - Attendance: 18,000 1960-1961: 1:1 (90. Vasiliadis) - Attendance: 25,000 1959-1960: 1:2 (38. Leandros, 44. Havanidis) - Attendance: 11,972 Panhellenic Championship 1958-1959: 4:0 - Attendance: ? 1957-1958: 0:1 (3. Havanidis) - Attendance: ? 1956-1957: 4:0 - Attendance: ? 1955-1956: 0:0 - Attendance: 20,000 (Leoforo Alexandras Stadium) 1954-1955: 1:0 - Attendance: ? (Leoforo Alexandras Stadium) 1953-1954: 1:0 - Attendance: ? (Leoforo Alexandras Stadium) 1947-1948: 2:1 (16. Migoussis) - Attendance: ? (Leoforo Alexandras Stadium) 1936-1937: 2:0 - Attendance: ? (Leoforo Alexandras Stadium) 1935-1936: 4:3 (7. Kalogiannis, 22. Kalogiannis, 30. Vafiadis) - Attendance: ? (Leoforo Alexandras Stadium) 1931-1932: 2:3 (8. Kavourmatzis, 89. Papaiordanidis)- Attendance: ? (Neo Falyro Podylatodromio) 1930-1931: 3:1 - Attendance: ? (Neo Falyro Podylatodromio) Games played at G. Karaiskakis Stadium, except as noted. GAMES: 72 WINS: 11 TIES: 8 LOSSES: 53 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiankos Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Το σίγουρο είναι ότι ο Ολυμπιακός φοβάται. Δυστυχώς κι εμείς ψαχνόμαστε ακόμα. Μπίσεσβαρ ή όχι Μπίσεσβαρ; Ο Πέλκας έχει εξαφανιστεί. Καντουρί εξτρέμ; Λημνιός ή Βιεϊρίνια; Σφιντέρσκι ή Ακπόμ; Δύσκολα ερωτήματα που απ' ότι φαίνεται ο Αμπέλ δεν ξέρει ακόμα τις απαντήσεις. Εν πάση περιπτώση, όποιος κι αν παίξει πρέπει να δώσει τα πάντα. Το ματς είναι τριπλή και όλα μπορούν να συμβούν. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paokarag4 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) Goes without saying huge game. The fact they dropped points on the weekend means a draw is a decent result. They aren't in great form (we aren't playing great football ourselves) With a trip to London midweek, fatigue has been an issue for them coming off a European game. No doubt they'll be fired up for this one though. As Yiankos points out there are a few question marks over starting spots, I think Ferreira will stick with what he's gone with the last few matches. I think Limnios will start instead of El Kaddouri (or maybe Vierinha but it's less likely IMO) as he is a hard worker who will work up and down for the whole 90 and that's something that is needed in these types of matches. Edited November 26, 2019 by paokarag4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nea Bafra Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 3-1 loss is my prediction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 Both Biseswar and Vieirinha will play, but I am not sure if they will start. I would save Vieirinha for the second half as he is not 100% fit yet. Also I would play Akpom over Swiderski in this game. I would also not risk starting Varela over Ingason in this game. One thing is certain though. El Kaddouri will start. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antaeus7 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) I made a bet with a PAOKtzis If PAOK wins, I buy a pack of bougates for his family (plus I have to put a PAOK avatar for 2 weeks) If Olympiakos wins, he will buy me a gyro If tied, we will eat out at a Greek restaurant together. Edited November 26, 2019 by Molon Lave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 That avatar might grow on you 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 Two weeks ago PAE PAOK asked ESKAN (Greek Doping Agency) for doping test (5 players from each team), but was turned down. What did you expect when the head of ESKAN is tied to the Olympiakos organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Why are they pushing the test in the first place? Do they have some indication that certain someones are doping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 There are rumors that their player Cisse has not been playing lately because of doping problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Sounds like if they wanted to brush this under the rug, they'd agree to do tests and then just not randomly select him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 All Spanish crew as far as officiating is concerned, including refs at VAR. The only exception is the fourth ref which happens to be Tasos Sidiropoulos a well known anti-PAOK and allegedly a die hard AEK fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athens4 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 22 hours ago, pash said: That avatar might grow on you Always with comments our pash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Someone's gotta generate good content over here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Eagle Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Blackhawk said: Two weeks ago PAE PAOK asked ESKAN (Greek Doping Agency) for doping test (5 players from each team), but was turned down. What did you expect when the head of ESKAN is tied to the Olympiakos organization. What's in name: the name of the chairman of ESKAN is Panagiotis Skandalakis! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiankos Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 On 11/26/2019 at 1:58 PM, Blackhawk said: Both Biseswar and Vieirinha will play, but I am not sure if they will start. I would save Vieirinha for the second half as he is not 100% fit yet. Also I would play Akpom over Swiderski in this game. I would also not risk starting Varela over Ingason in this game. One thing is certain though. El Kaddouri will start. Λοιπόν παιδιά, το σκέφτηκα πολύ το θέμα, το συζήτησα κιόλας και κατέληξα στο ιδανικό σχήμα. 4-5-1 όπου βάζεις Αουγκούστο-Μίσιτς-Καντουρί στα χαφ, αριστερά Βιεϊρίνια και δεξιά Λημνιό. Και εξηγώ γιατί: Το πρόβλημα είναι ότι ο Μπίσεσβαρ παίζει σαν δεύτερος επιθετικός. Τρέχει, πιέζει τα σέντερ μπακ, κουράζεται, και όταν παίρνει τη μπάλα δεν έχει τη φρεσκάδα να κάνει τα δικά του. Καίγεται ίσως ο καλύτερός μας παίκτης και ταυτόχρονα δεν αποδίδει και στο αμυντικό κομμάτι (όπως ο Πέλκας). 4-5-1 λοιπόν, γιατί ο Ολυμπιακός θα μας πιέσει και με τριάδα στα χαφ θα είμαστε σφιχτοί αλλά και θα είμαστε δυνατοί για τις αντεπιθέσεις. Και αναλόγως πως θα πάει το ματς μπαίνει και ο Μπίσεσβαρ, ίσως στη θέση του Βιεϊρίνια αν έχει κουραστεί ο αρχηγός. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italosPAOK4 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 nikh kai 3 bathmous me tous apogonous tou amerikanikou stolou, to rdelompou ths Troumpas, to xwriatolimano ths Athinas, thn Tzoulia ths Eurwphs ! PAOK MAKEDONIA O PRWTA8LHTHS BORRAS ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 if Meriah gets benched we will not cop any goals haha. One serious note he is good player but he needs to stop careless mistakes. I think at home we got this game just have be be careful of counter attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiankos Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Όλοι λένε θα παίξει ο Αβραάμ στη θέση του Μεριά. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Agree with your 4-5-1 @Yiankos especially considering we're playing away. The only thing I would do different is play Biseswar on the left at the start of the game and sub in Vieirinha in the second half. The start of the game is when the tackles will be flying thick and fast and I just wouldn't risk Vieirinha just yet. There's still plenty of season to go and it's not worth the risk I say. Also agree with @Blackhawk concerning starting Akpom. This is the sort of game where he can excel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzatziki Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 @Blackhawk What is sport plus? On 11/27/2019 at 1:07 PM, Blackhawk said: Two weeks ago PAE PAOK asked ESKAN (Greek Doping Agency) for doping test (5 players from each team), but was turned down. What did you expect when the head of ESKAN is tied to the Olympiakos organization. Olympiakos has been drug tested at least 9 times already this season by UEFA, this is just a Public relations stunt IMO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiankos Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Βρε καλώς τον τζατζίκι. Που χάθηκες εσύ βρε ψυχή; 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzatziki Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 The red section is a bit slow at times, and this years CL campaign has been so vexxing, I tried to avoid posting after the games I was just too salty. So promising all the way to the group stages and then...some good moments with no results whatsoever. As you can imagine, we are looking forward to this match in a big way! Gia na doume. On 11/28/2019 at 11:28 AM, Yiankos said: Όλοι λένε θα παίξει ο Αβραάμ στη θέση του Μεριά. He was almost substituted at the half in London according to some reports. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiankos Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Don't be too hard on your team, man. Πέρασες στους ομίλους του Τσάμπιονς Λιγκ όχι γιατί έχεις τόσο καλή ομάδα, αλλά γιατί ήσουν τυχερός στις κληρώσεις και απέφυγες μεγάλα λάθη. Αν έπεφτες στον Άγιαξ που πέφτουμε εμείς συνεχώς, δεν θα είχες τύχη. Το ότι πήρες ένα βαθμό ήταν αναμενόμενο. Τώρα αν κερδίσεις τον Ερυθρό Αστέρα, όλα καλά. Η 3η θέση θα είναι επιτυχία. Αν δεν κερδίσεις, άλλο καπέλο. Και φυσικά επειδή έχεις ματς στην Ευρώπη, η απόδοση της ομάδας σου στο πρωτάθλημα είναι αρκετά μέτρια. Δεν λέω ότι ο ΠΑΟΚ είναι καλύτερος ή χειρότερος, για να μην παρεξηγηθώ. Για μένα το πρόβλημα του Ολυμπιακού, είναι η ίδια η διοίκησή του. Από τη μία κλαίγεστε για τη διαιτησία σε κάθε αγωνιστική, από την άλλη αν χάσετε από τον ΠΑΟΚ θα διώξετε τον προπονητή. Όπως πριν δύο χρόνια που τα ρίχνατε στη διαιτησία και μετά πήγε ο Μαρινάκης και είπε δεν κάνετε ούτε για κωλόχαρτο και τους έδιωξε όλους. Και τα δύο αυτά μαζί δεν πάνε. Ή έχεις καλή ομάδα και καλό προπονητή, είτε η ομάδα και ο προπονητής δεν κάνουν. Και τα δύο δεν γίνονται. Αν ρωτάς εμένα, ο προπονητής είναι καλός και κάποιοι παίκτες όπως ο Σα, ο Γκιγιέρμε και ο Ποντένσε είναι πολύ καλοί, αλλά σίγουρα δεν έχεις 11 παίκτες στο ίδιο επίπεδο ακόμα. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzatziki Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, Yiankos said: Don't be too hard on your team, man. Πέρασες στους ομίλους του Τσάμπιονς Λιγκ όχι γιατί έχεις τόσο καλή ομάδα, αλλά γιατί ήσουν τυχερός στις κληρώσεις και απέφυγες μεγάλα λάθη. Αν έπεφτες στον Άγιαξ που πέφτουμε εμείς συνεχώς, δεν θα είχες τύχη. Το ότι πήρες ένα βαθμό ήταν αναμενόμενο. Τώρα αν κερδίσεις τον Ερυθρό Αστέρα, όλα καλά. Η 3η θέση θα είναι επιτυχία. Αν δεν κερδίσεις, άλλο καπέλο. Και φυσικά επειδή έχεις ματς στην Ευρώπη, η απόδοση της ομάδας σου στο πρωτάθλημα είναι αρκετά μέτρια. Δεν λέω ότι ο ΠΑΟΚ είναι καλύτερος ή χειρότερος, για να μην παρεξηγηθώ. Για μένα το πρόβλημα του Ολυμπιακού, είναι η ίδια η διοίκησή του. Από τη μία κλαίγεστε για τη διαιτησία σε κάθε αγωνιστική, από την άλλη αν χάσετε από τον ΠΑΟΚ θα διώξετε τον προπονητή. Όπως πριν δύο χρόνια που τα ρίχνατε στη διαιτησία και μετά πήγε ο Μαρινάκης και είπε δεν κάνετε ούτε για κωλόχαρτο και τους έδιωξε όλους. Και τα δύο αυτά μαζί δεν πάνε. Ή έχεις καλή ομάδα και καλό προπονητή, είτε η ομάδα και ο προπονητής δεν κάνουν. Και τα δύο δεν γίνονται. Αν ρωτάς εμένα, ο προπονητής είναι καλός και κάποιοι παίκτες όπως ο Σα, ο Γκιγιέρμε και ο Ποντένσε είναι πολύ καλοί, αλλά σίγουρα δεν έχεις 11 παίκτες στο ίδιο επίπεδο ακόμα. I'm not being hard on the lads, they have put together some great performances, it is just the results are lacking, you need superior concentration levels for every minute at this level, especially if you are not one of the dogs. Look at how Spurs got embarrassed at home by Bayern, and Spurs is really not a bad team at all lol. During qualifiers our defence was air tight, we conceded like 2 goals in 8 matches. If Meria did not have such a horrible campaign we would be second in the group right now. This team is the best it has been since Michel IMO. If we keep the coach and core squad (monkeys are more likely to fly out of my bum, this is Greece here), the team will show its quality, it is very high and no where near the 1 point we are sitting on. Sorry for the long post didn't mean to hijack your forums, enough talk from me for now, Sunday we will have more to speak of after the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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