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[Ellada2004]

Has JVS reacted publicly with regards to the draw? Does anyone have a link?

[paokarag4]

19 hours ago, Ellada2004 said:

Has JVS reacted publicly with regards to the draw? Does anyone have a link?

https://www.sport24.gr/football/fan-sip-ellada-moyntial-katar-prokrimatika.9074248.html

[Ellada2004]

4 hours ago, paokarag4 said:

https://www.sport24.gr/football/fan-sip-ellada-moyntial-katar-prokrimatika.9074248.html

Thanks 

[ausgreek]

King Otto movie coming out in afew weeks. 2004 Euro win. From the manager's perspective.

Wolla.b.Hectic bros!

[ausgreek]

This Euro 2004 movie is going to Premier in Australia. Thats very kavlotic I must say.

Everyone rightly talks about Melbourne's Greeks going absolutely 'bangers' when Ethniki played the Pork-n-cheese in 2004, with Figo and a young Ronaldo as well.

I'm in Sydney and I went with my then-to-be Koumbaro to Bay Street In Brighton at around 2am overnight.

My oh my, there were by memory 3-5 Massive t.v screens attached to the sides of the buildings and there were thousands of men with sons, friends, relatives and women there in an extremely festive time. Street was blocked and no parking for miles.

When Charisteas scored, the buildings shook from the Roar of the Greeks! I mainly used to watch Rugby League back then but I was overcome by the emotion of the occasion and I bought in ever since, also given my heritage. 

Didn't sleep till the next morning, wearing my Euro 04 T-shirt they were selling on the street. I still have that t-shirt.

 

Edited May 28 by ausgreek

[Dean97]

14 hours ago, ausgreek said:

This Euro 2004 movie is going to Premier in Australia. Thats very kavlotic I must say.

Everyone rightly talks about Melbourne's Greeks going absolutely 'bangers' when Ethniki played the Pork-n-cheese in 2004, with Figo and a young Ronaldo as well.

I'm in Sydney and I went with my then-to-be Koumbaro to Bay Street In Brighton at around 2am overnight.

My oh my, there were by memory 3-5 Massive t.v screens attached to the sides of the buildings and there were thousands of men with sons, friends, relatives and women there in an extremely festive time. Street was blocked and no parking for miles.

When Charisteas scored, the buildings shook from the Roar of the Greeks! I mainly used to watch Rugby League back then but I was overcome by the emotion of the occasion and I bought in ever since, also given my heritage. 

Didn't sleep till the next morning, wearing my Euro 04 T-shirt they were selling on the street. I still have that t-shirt.

 

Great memories. I was really young then but I still remember the craziness in Brighton. Would love to have those memories again. 

[Alphonse]

Sydney lad also... I was 23 when the whole Euro campaign was happening... It was a magic month, every game as memorable as the other as we ventured to location after location per game before Enmore Theater became my choice of venue.

I am hoping to watch the doco at a cinema on either Friday or next Saturday

[J1078]

Here is why Zagorakis stepped down. he wanted to use his own philosophy but the other members didn't want that.  Why bring in a guy in if you aren't going to let him run things his way.

Ζαγοράκης σε στενούς συνεργάτες του: 'Υπάρχει διαφορά φιλοσοφίας' (sport24.gr)

[Blackhawk]

Because he was planted at EPO by the government.

[paokarag4]

Although we mathematically are a chance to still qualify for the World Cup it's obviously going to be very tough from here. Reading the match-day topic it seems there are very mixed views on JVS, there always has been. 

I don't think it's possible to do in a post but I would be curious if we did a poll how many would want to keep and how many would want him gone post WC qualifiers. (Maybe one of the Moderators can help? @Blackhawk @Dutch Eagle) 

FWIW I would keep him, he hasn't been perfect but I think he has done a good job and has for large stints made us look like a modern footballing nation. He also has made the team much younger, most of the current guys in the squad are young enough except for 2-3 players, that they'll all be around for Euro 24 and WC 26. Not to mention Tzolis, Mavropanos, Pavlidis, Douvikas etc, guys who are just starting out and have 10+ years ahead of them.

 I think he deserves to take us into Euro 2024 qualifying, in a 24 team Euro I think he will get us there. Nations League will be important to secure a playoff spot just incase. 

 

[Alphonse]

There is certainly pros and cons to JVS and that also is what worries me, early on I was very excited with the football we played under him and how dynamic we were but then we failed in the Nations League in a group we should have won and now the inability to beat Georgia at home and Kosovo (again) has really put us in a hard place where I dont think we will qualify for Qatar, I knew this was never going to be easy but some key points that for me could see a new coach.

1. Our best players are not playing and they are the CB's who play and have played at the highest level. Everyone knows the trio I am talking about, they also brought with them incredible experience which we dont have and that cost us today and I believe in other matches too (look at the last time we beat Kosovo)

2. Game management - very poor, I am actually surprised how badly JVS has managed games this campaign and always leaving subs way too late to make a real impact/change. Subbing Masouras off today... he was really the one creating space and chances.

3. Player selection, even outside of point one, what is the obsession with Stafylidis, the guy is not at NT team level and got injured again even at camp, he would have started today and when he didnt start, he starts Tsimikas at CB, watch the lead up to the penalty Mavropanos gave away, Tsimikas should have covered that off, Giannoulis lost at CB also in the Kosovo game and Harris Mavrias against Georgia...  we never played a RB at RB, only Baka at CAM, Pavlidis over Douvikas... 

I can only see this issues continuing under JVS and for me we need to do better than this as he never learns from his mistakes. 

In saying that I wouldn't be totally disappointed if he stays on as I think he has a great rapport with the players and we are playing a better brand of football but a team like the Ethniki needs its best players out there and I dont see that happening with JVS.

 

 

[Dean97]

Spot on Alphonse. In the beginning when he took over we looked good and even in the first half of today’s game we looked great. But like many have said he hasn’t learned from his mistakes and his in game management is poor. He has to evaluate our players better also. For me the fascination with Stafylidis and Bakasetas has to stop. He has chosen these guys as his captains and I don’t know why. 

Things have to change and I don’t know if he is capable of changing. He seems very stubborn with his decisions where he should try and work things out with our best players and integrate them into the team. 

 

[paokarag4]

2 hours ago, Alphonse said:

1. Our best players are not playing and they are the CB's who play and have played at the highest level. Everyone knows the trio I am talking about, they also brought with them incredible experience which we dont have and that cost us today and I believe in other matches too (look at the last time we beat Kosovo)

 

Just on this point, I agree Manolas and Siovas would have helped particularly today. But if we are talking about moving forward, Siovas is 33 and currently without a team, Sokratis is also 33. So going forward these 2 aren't really options for the Ethniki, Manolas is the only one who could potentially be around for Euro 2024 and even then he will be 33 by the time Euro 2024 kicks off. 

To put a positive spin on having these guys out, is that it has fast tracked Mavropanos and Chatzidiakos who would have ridden the bench during this campaign. Instead they have gained valuable experience and caps. 

So yes not having these guys has hurt our chances of qualifying for Qatar but I don't think it should necessarily be a criteria moving forward for keeping JVS or not, IMO. 

 

[Jimmyp]

1 hour ago, paokarag4 said:

Just on this point, I agree Manolas and Siovas would have helped particularly today. But if we are talking about moving forward, Siovas is 33 and currently without a team, Sokratis is also 33. So going forward these 2 aren't really options for the Ethniki, Manolas is the only one who could potentially be around for Euro 2024 and even then he will be 33 by the time Euro 2024 kicks off. 

To put a positive spin on having these guys out, is that it has fast tracked Mavropanos and Chatzidiakos who would have ridden the bench during this campaign. Instead they have gained valuable experience and caps. 

So yes not having these guys has hurt our chances of qualifying for Qatar but I don't think it should necessarily be a criteria moving forward for keeping JVS or not, IMO. 

 

Well said. Spot on.