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I have no choice but to predict a scoreless draw since it has been working. With all the excitement after a great start anything other than a victory will be disappointing. Our opponents gave OSFP a tough time the first week of the season, playing on the road, so I think it's fair to say they will sit back and try to hit us on the counter. It will be surprising if Paco makes any changes to the starting line-up Monday evening.

Fortounis and Pelkas had great games tho, I should admit. Barkas performed a string of fine saves. Manolas was good until he had to be subbed off. Tzavellas was very mediocre again. Bouchalakis too. He tried but he aint good enough. Why does Skibbe want to start him? Why did he want to go with Vellios and Diamantakos? Why is Tziolis ALWAYS there?

Bouchalakis blew the last chance we had at an attack in the final minute. Weak.

Id see something like this: Barkas - Torosidis, Manolas, Papastathopoulos, Retsos - Kourbelis, Fortounis, Zeca - Mantalos, Mitroglou, Pelkas. Head coach: NOT Skibbe. Overall a good 11 Laz.

Stop it already bro. You re tiring. Skibbe couldn't be in Mitroglou's place and Sokratis' place to put the headers in. Mitroglou wasn't on Manolas' place to score his 2nd header. Skibbe made this team work better than the previous qualifiers offensively. Good passes good katoxi trying to unblock a defence. 2 good chances for the Hunns 2 goals. It happens.

are they building the new stadium?

This NT is a disgrace and anybody who tries to put a positive spin on this performance is lying to themselves, IMO

I’m tired of hearing Donis this Donis that. He’s nothing special. He’s played in like 8 games and doesn’t even have a goal yet. Maybe that will change. But until it does he is what he is. Another offensive bust. A lot of us try to glorify these guys as being better than they actually are. Mitroglou 60 games. 16 goals. When you have to rely on a guy like that for production, your doomed. Hopefully next year we’re not talking about playing Andorra and Sam Marino in the D division.

Okay I hope youll be right.

We were hard done to lose today at the very least we deserved a draw.Again another great first half offensively and moving of the ball, but we are always stuck with 1 goal for our efforts. Hungary had 3 good scoring opportunities to our 8 or 9. The second goal we conceded was ridiculous, there forward dancing around us with shot after shot coming in and the defence cant clear the ball?? We needed a draw minimum vs a Hungary who have a couple of all say good players and who played in an empty stadium. Now the team gets to play in Greece and they need to beat Finland, that's what the focus has to be.

Thank you, good to read some level headed comments here compared to some melt downs on social media. The team looks better overall IMO and gives me more hope than before as we dominated play for the most part. Some are really criticising Kourmbelis & Bouchalakis but I think that’s rather unfair, we can’t complain all the time! Personally I don’t mind the two, it’s their first few games for us and it’s already helped us improve our game from such a flat midfield that can get out run easily. Donis was bid invisible up front, considering he was fresher though, I would have liked to seen how he could have gone on the wing in second half. We move on now, it’s a costly loss but we continue to dominate play the results got to come

^No we Can’t be unlucky all the time but after a disastrous Euro campaign and missing the Euros and missing the World Cup I think losing to s%$#! teams like Hungary is very concerning and yes we have looked better then other games but the bottom line is after 2 games we are in 3rd of 4 teams and only ahead of Estonia, this to me is a step backwards once again not a step forward.. What would we do if we were in Group b?? Would we even win 1 game because all those teams are better then Hungary.. maybe tomorrow I’ll see things differently but right now I’m pissed and I don’t see the optimism you boys do..

Next match is Hungary again Stomp them. and then it's just the Finns. A sweet home game vs Estonia to finish the run. We re still in it. I'd rather take a set back with good football that proves that "we re getting there" with there being playing component vs mediocre teams that give us possession. WE CAN'T BE UNLUCKY FOR THE WHOLE 6 MATCHES. We were already in 2/6.

They should have gotten more yellow cards for standing 3 or 4 metres from the ball when we got free kicks. These F***heads discovered Fortounis is much too dangerous to let him deliver a cross without any harassment from enemies.

We were in control against Estonia as well but our lack of finishing will always keep teams in the game and give them a chance to to tie or pull out a win when they don’t deserve it.. Estonia was one shot on target away from gaining a point, look how hard we have to work just to get 1 goal.. we know no matter who we put in this line up we will always be like this.. At some point Skibbe needs to pick a line up and stick with it becasue these guys need to start to get use to each other.. We did have majority of control but all it took Hungary is pretty much two dangerous rushes to score 2 goals, something we CANT DO..

We were in control but we lost - under Santos it would have been the opposite, we would have won this game one nil, with no control and domination.

As a team, we are improving. They didn't let us dominate them, we were in control the whole time outside of a few minutes in the first half. Teams that deserve to win do not always win, there was a bit of luck on their side. Even big teams lay eggs against supposedly inferior teams. If we would bury all our shots, we would have been in Group A. While I do not think anyone should be happy with this result, we did show attacking play and did have some nice passes. The two goals we conceded, they would have been scored on anyone.

Lazaros hacked to death all game. All for what - they receive 1 maybe 2 yellow cards. Torosidis does a m*****a pass and one of our def mids brings one of their players down, first miss timed tackle for the match. Yellow valto sto golo sou. The ref gives tsavela a yellow. It wasnt a dive it was a penalty. He was body checked in the box. Not sure what game you were all watching but all i saw was a gypsy wearing black sympathetic to a bunch of nazis. Our nazi is a nice one however. We must use players from big european leagues rather that the local players. Dont get me wrong Lazaro and Fortouni worked their hearts out. The GK did everything he could but players like Donis and Mitroglou have to start and keep playing them until they are either cooked or til the end of the match. Zeca too is a must even though Skibbe doesnt know how to use him. We have to convince Holebas to return, maybe disguise Skibbe and Siovas should have been part of this squad. Do not disregard players playing in holland and belgium, Those leagues are better than the greek league. I was proud of how we went about it but you cant beat agendas no matter how well you play.

I actually decided to give Bouchalakis my whole attention. Reason why I like him : He is not afraid to do the hard pass. The one that if it goes through has a huge possibility to unlock a defence. This is also probably why Skibbe and Olympiakos like him. He is not afraid to make a mistake and he does not seem to be psychologically affected by doing it. Reason why one should not like him: He will eventually make mistakes after so many trials of hard passes, which can destroy an attack or even bring the oppossition on the counter. Maybe with maturity he will be better. More involvedi n the game than Tachtsidis and has similar attributes to tachtsidis. I think he should be considered a top choise when we wanna play vs minnows (yeah we lost today but they re still minnows) like Hungary and Estonia.

Bro halftime chances were 4 on target for us and 2 outside. They were not parking the bus till 65. Please stop acting that miserably over a match. We got 4 more easier (considering Hunns are home and Finland ain't Huns level) to prove we deserve to go first. I agree that we should be pessimistic after this match but I find Skibbe nowhere near being the first one to blame for it.

This is another disaster. How many embarrassments do we need to suffer before EPO fires Skibbe?

Yeah unfortunately Skibbe can't make us have the one thing we're lacking a player who can put our many chances away. Plus I didn't see too much back passing today, nothing like we had under Santos.

How many years do we watch this with a back-pass first mentality and a team that overexploits the wings and hopes for a perfect cross in. This is lazy, impotent football and it has to go before we can make any sort of progress. This team has been stagnant for years and a loss in an empty stadium in Hungary is a complete travesty.

yeah I agree with this. I'm very hopeful.we play like this and we'll get the better result most games. played even better than the estonia game,

We had the shots, we had the chances - they didn't fall today. We played well and dominated at times, just couldn't close. We play like this, chances are we win 8 out of 10 times. Both goals we gave up were really good goals. That's the way it goes sometimes.

Lots of wasted possession in the second half. Really need to win all three at home to come out on top of the group.

we played really well just couldn't finish. mitroglou on a better day could've had a few goals. i'm confident we can beat the fins.

They were in the Euros a couple years ago. They don't suck

Garuntee Skibbe is going to do something stupid like take Donis off for Bakasetas or take Kourbelis if for Tziolis..

You guys really think I would post my face in an anonymous forum If I didn't know this would be the outcome? We re playing better yet losing. I think we ll draw them. Reminder that the last hungary match we played was a bizarre score 4-3 in our favor. We need Pelkinho to take more prwtovoulies he is playing like he is trying to just serve Fortounis and Mitroglou in the Estonia match. He has a good long shot he can make things happen.

How can Hungary play like complete s%$#! all game and then pull off a mad 1 minute with about 4-5 shots in quick succession?!

barkas nice string of saves but they scored anyways. hungary had a nice 2 mins of intense attack but we were controlling the game most of the half. tall task now to score 2... not impossible tho

Should have been a booking for the challenge on Fortunis, crap ref.

Not a bad line up at all.. for all of the bashing i give Skibbe this is a good line up.. I still would rather give a Lyko another shot over Tzavellas and i would put Zeca instead of Buchalakis. Other than that im happy with this line up. Sucks Mitro is not in..

His comments aren't anything concerning, he wants Germany to win the Nations League, something Greece can't right now. If they were playing against each other and he said he hoped we would lose, then...

Some sites are projecting Skibbe will go with this line below.. If Laz doesn't play in this game then Skibbe is a complete moron, Laz has been on fire and one of the hottest players so to keep him out would be nuts.. Also if Donis doesn't get to play in this game would be complete BS... How can you not play these 2 guys in at least one game???? You had a good 30 minutes in Estonia but after that the team didn't play that good... I really hope these sites are wrong.... What else can Laz do to prove he deserves to start? This is how Holebas must of felt sitting on the bench knowing guys are starting in front of him that don't deserve it over him... Anyways that is my morning rant.... Wait and see the official line up... Possible line-up: Barkas, Torosidis, Manolas, Papastathopoulos, Tzavellas, Kourbelis, Zeca, Mantalos, Pelkas, Fortounis, Mitroglou

Yes

I have always ordered the games from Agona Sport for $7.55 and never had a problem. For under 10 bucks its not worth it for me to search for streams. I'm sure they will offer it as I just believe they haven't updated there website yet. I watched the Estonia game there with no issues..

For the first time in a long time I actually feel excited about all the new players coming into the team. Hopefully we keep the momentum going and are hungry to beat Hungary. ??

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I hope Mitroglou and Zeca will be healthy on Tuesday against Hungry.

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