Rockafeller Skank

I waited long to see the results of the effort. Havent posted since be fore the match vs Spain. Team is really growing better and better mentally. We are not good at winning all the time (Kosovo and Georgia wins would have us top spot in the Group tied with Spain and above Sweden. I like the effort regardless of the result of the campaign. We need to accept the fact that winning Sweden in our current state is an unexpected excellent result, same as the draw vs Spain in the Summer. Even if we dont win Sweden we ve been as competitive and good at the offensive part as we ve not been since 2014 and before. Mediocre players with a good plan is my take.

I totally disagree with yawll. The 2008-2012 era we had a much worse roster. A coach that got s%$#! done while everyone hated him. This one also is hated from everyone. What we lack maybe in roster compared to that period is killer strikers. Do you guys really remember Samaras and Salpigidis being that much of playmakers and forcing enemies doing fouls non-stop like Fortounis does? we got players in our offensive midfield much more flexible than in that era. I still believe the team lacks mentality. And we re not the only ones. Look at Poland. World star players and protagonists in top teams in Europe. Fluking every tournament they go, unable to get past the groupstages. Always a Dark Horse and never make it past the Groups. Team lacks mentality of a winner which was the thing that used to drive us on our golden era. AKA. These guys do not know how to win and do not know what expectations to have.

3 mil is a lot of money for eredivisie sides (ajax excluded). they look like they really wanted him.

They dont call paok fans orcs for no reason, if that's what you got from my comment about Mantalos.

Tzolis is a good player on open space. Vs Honduras the kid has a dozen of chances, missed all but he was in them. Honduras played open ball and came to win. Norway was strict and not giving us space to run. Tzolis will be decent for 1st and 2nd tier opposition like Sweden and Spain, if he moves to a better league and gets proper football education, work ethic and competition for a starting spot. I am wondering why we didn't see Fountas who also had another amazing season. Similar statistics to Bakasetas in a similar difficulty league. Hoping he declined the call-up for transfer negotiations. I also am wondering why we saw no Sebastian Vasiliadis. Guy got a transfer to Bundesliga side Arminia. It's not like our midfield has so much talent that we can miss out on a Bundesliga player.

? How does the result prove me wrong mate? Mantalos was nowhere to be found on the offensive play. It was amazing key passes from Pelkas and Tsimikas that ended up in goals. I'd rather have Zeka and/or Siopis than Mantalos if all I expect from him is to man-mark.

This NT has the eyes for the W.C. yet somehow this guy is fielding Mantalos, almost 30, with obvious degradation, even tho he is our 3rd choice AM. This is definately a managerial issue. Maybe AEK looking to sell so starting him might up his price/salary in the upcomming transfer window. I love the idea of 5-3-2 vs 2 striker opposition.

Seems to me like this guy is very talented and that is why JVS has been putting him as a starter all these games. He has been solid 2,5 seasons in a row with Willem. And it's his 3rd season scoring 10+ goals. Also has a decent number of assists every season. I think we really need to give him some time, even if that proves to be 2+ years. With Bouchalakis Fortounis and Tzolis, who are considered decent service, we might see some stuff from him. Let's not forget that we are talking about a 22 year old kid. Mitroglou was a back-up 3rd choice striker at Olympiakos at his age.

I dont know the amount of times but I know the time will be close to 90% the time we had possession :).

I cant disagree on u that Id have Tsimikas or Kyriakopoulos or Lykogiannis as RB instead of even Bakakis. We have serie A left backs. One should be able to perform better than Mavrias and even Bakakis ifu ask me.

Stop asking on a LB to play RB. They re not as experienced as Toro was when he did that at Roma. Playing on the wrong foot means u can mostly pass inside and not on your wingman, and it means you need to cut the opponent wingman with your wrong foot (same thing that Mavrias tried to do when we conceded, because he tried to cut inside). Bakakis wouldn't be much better. For me the blame is mostly on Limnios who, knows that kid is talented, stays up front even after we re 1-0 up. The lineup wasn't bad. I repeat. If you exclude the fact that we do miss Manolas and Siovas, the line-up wasnt bad. The players just were ordered to play calmly which ended up in giving Georgians psychology and thoughts of attacking, which did happen. They played with 1 DM. A 36 year old who was running up and down the pitch 3 days before out match vs Spain. We never really gve them the chance to face our offence without being organized. Even on that Tzolis shot (our best chance), they were all were they should be, but the difference in the team power showed. The run of Giannoulis was unexpected and Tziolis was not marked properly. If we managed to find space to do that one or two more times it coulda been a whole different match from halftime. Coach killed it. I dont wanna hear about our players being s%$#! when our competition is Georgia. We were playing vs a team whose wonderstar is playing in a midtable-bottomtier Russian team. Giannoulis, Pavlidis, Fortounis, Bouchalakis, Siopis, Tzavellas, Vlachodimos, Limnios, Masouras, Zeka, Bakasetas, Pelkas all play at similar or better teams. The players we have, (it was me who mentioned it before and I was referred to in some previous comment i think from @AEK RE GAMOTO) are not the next ronaldinhos. When the opposition defenders are: DM: French Ligue 2 midtable team - Valencienes DM: La Lig Segunda division - prelast team- Cartagena - hasn't had a match in 2021. LB: Backup LB/LM in a midtable Austrian team. Wolfsberger AC. Trashed 1-8 in the round of 32 of Europa. He only played a bit as sub. RB: Backup RB in a midtable La Liga Segunda division - Tenerife - had 10 matches whole season. CB: Dvali is actually their second best player after that wingerkid. He plays in the hungarian league champions who made it to the C.L. this year. CB: The other CB returned to Europe (Dinamo Tsibili of Georgia- friendly reminder for the Paok fans they played vs them in the qualifiers in 2017 and beat them 5-0 on aggrogate) from MLS. Hasn't played a match in 2021. Goalkeeper: I remember that guy from Olympiakos I actually liked him. He currently plays at Anorthosis in Cyprus. Solid goalie, but mot of his free kicks or γιώμες were taken by our players. You can make sure that our players are enough to defeat them. The tactics were the problem. Talking about Tsimikas instead of Giannoulis wasn't gonna solve the problem. Playing attack, will.

JVS has only faced one team that is not 4th-5th tier in the European teams ranking. That is spain last week. We are not losing to them micronations but we are not winning them more than 50% of our matches. Does this comment mean we agree that we became a 4th-5th tier team a well? Realistically, since we can't really prove dominance against them and secure 3pointers against them on most occassions, or at least look like we can, it does. We are a 4th-5th tier team with 2nd-3rd tier players. How can you guys be okay with that and "trust the process". It's been 2 years since the process started.

You re missing the bigger picture. Tow questions for you. When was the last time your team won a team we weren't expected to? I ll tell you. Netherlands - Greece friendly 1-2. 2016 How many teams have we underperformed against and lost or drew to a team that we were expecting to win since JVS started coaching the team? JVS was hired july 2019. Let's start: Finland away loss (im a realist and believe a draw would be a decent result btw). Liechtenstein draw. Kossovo once. Slovenia twice. Georgia now. The guy has us snatching 50% of results vs teams like Finland,Georgia, Kossovo. He literally made us a 4-5th tier team, as there is no result that proves that we are/can be better. And you re okay with it. We had the usual comment "give him time." Next national team window he ll be 2 years and 2 months in the NT and he has achieved NOTHING compared to his presuccessors. Skibbe got us in the fcking play off spot and had us score twice in 180 minutes to the eventual runner up croatia. How much more CALMA do I need to be? And when I come and say "ah look a s%$#! result" you and more than half of this forum accuses me of being toxic. The team is s%$#!. The players arent. We are no Spain and France and have the ability to field 11 players who all play in teams that made it to the Champions League and Europa League Semifinals every year. But goddamn we have professional players in top leagues (Giannoulis, Tsimikas, Vlachodimos, Mavropanos,). We have star players who have a beef with Epo since JVS joined (Manolas, Siovas). We have players in champion-mentality teams in mediocre leagues (Zeka, Siopis,Bakasetas,Pelkas, Tzavellas who was this window's mvp for me). We have Olympiakos GREEK players who always manage to look competitive and look like they can fit in when they play with elite teams in C.L. and Europa league (Fortounis, Masouras Bouchalakis, even Vrousai and Androutsos). Almost all mentioned have more than half of the maximum playtime available this season. Take a look at the line ups of Slovenia x2, Kossovo, Georgia, Liechtenstein. Look at their players. You need to tell me that more than half of our matches under JVS, vs teams that I should expect my team to beat, were "bad luck"? Or do you want me to believe my players are not good enough? They re not good, don't get me wrong, but they re much better than you make it look like. This coach is a clown. This is his circus. Apparently 2 years werent enough for him to prove his worth. He just needs some more time. All we gotta do is drop 20 more spots on the ranking, so that we end up in League D, and finally MAYBE win something. So, to answer your question, I do not care if you believe i am toxic for stating something you are so tired of seeing. Either I start saying what an amazing team performance this was to manage to snatch a draw and not lose, or I start saying that the team is s%$#!, and we, as a country, are not looking to be able to step up our post 2014 era, my stance, my irony and my toxic behaviour will not change the fact that another qualification tournament started with a γκέλα. Eπίσης, είδα και ένα σχόλιο που έλεγε οτι η Γεωργία είναι καλύτερη απ ότι φαίνονται. Αυτό σας πέρασε τόσο απαρατήρητο; Χάλι μαύρο ήτανε εκτός από το αριστερό εξτρέμ. Είχανε τον καράφλα τον 36χρονο να αμύνεται στο κέντρο μόνος του γιατί δεν τους βάλαμε ποτέ να παίξουν άμυνα σε γρήγορη αντεπίθεση. Η ίδια τους εντεκάδα έτρεξε το παραλίγο Χ με την Ισπανία πριν 3 μέρες. Τέσπα αφού η ηττοπάθεια είναι το concept γύρω από το οποίο κινείται το φόρουμ ίσως χρειάζεται να αποχωρήσω.

Nah the line up was the best possible. I disagree. Bouchalakis is a more offensive midfielder than the other one in the group, Siopis. We needed him. Fortounis was okay . Bakasetas is a good player but he cannot perform with the NT. Noone would perform better than him tho. Maybe Fortounis in the 10 and Baka on the wings would be better. RB whoever u put was gonna be a yoyo of the opponents. CBs are the best he calls. LB The best we have , and the best player with Fortounis. CF is not much difference between the two. Pavlidis is better with the ball on his feet. The lineup was good. The tactics and the whole "patient" approach of the match was the problem. That's why JVS takes the complete blame.

This time. There is only one person to blame. The lineup was splendid compared to what and who we have as country. The tactics we re s%$#!. JVS lost it on his own and im not negotiating it. His time is trully up.