Bananas Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 100,000 ... a man can dream! If nothing else it will be most interesting to see how it goes. It would be interesting to see if they release figures at the end of the season showing subs based on region e.g. x amount in Thessaloniki, Athens, other cities as well as countries overseas. The commercial subs will be interesting too. Initially I thought they probably won’t get many but if you factor in how say a game like PAOK vs Olympiakos how many shops in Athens would get the subscription ? There is the obvious question of how do you police it and of that I’m not sure but if it can be policed then the I don’t see any reason why they couldn’t get a few thousand commercial subs. The part I’m not sure about is the expenses and running costs to be able to guesstimate how profitable (or not) this PAOK TV experiment will be. Any ideas people ? Finally @Emperor @ukworm @Mitsos @almand don’t forget to pay for a sub for the game coming this week, ha ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Not sure why any of those people or bars would get subscriptions for only one or two games? Much cheaper to just do a pay per view for each one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Bananas said: 100,000 ... a man can dream! If nothing else it will be most interesting to see how it goes. I don't think 100,000 is a realistic number. 50,000 will be a big success IMHO. My projection is around 20,000 annual subscriptions. 4 hours ago, Bananas said: Finally @Emperor @ukworm @Mitsos @almand don’t forget to pay for a sub for the game coming this week, ha ha. Don't see any of those guys paying for the game. Mitsos is welcomed at my house to watch the game. Frankly I don't think a lot fans of other teams will go for PAOK TV when we play their team. They will more likely see the game at a kafenio or watch it illegally on some shitty stream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1st day totals for PAOK TV annual subscriptions stand at 3,500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Expect them to go out of their way to pirate, in fact! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukworm Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 20 hours ago, Bananas said: 100,000 ... a man can dream! If nothing else it will be most interesting to see how it goes. It would be interesting to see if they release figures at the end of the season showing subs based on region e.g. x amount in Thessaloniki, Athens, other cities as well as countries overseas. The commercial subs will be interesting too. Initially I thought they probably won’t get many but if you factor in how say a game like PAOK vs Olympiakos how many shops in Athens would get the subscription ? There is the obvious question of how do you police it and of that I’m not sure but if it can be policed then the I don’t see any reason why they couldn’t get a few thousand commercial subs. The part I’m not sure about is the expenses and running costs to be able to guesstimate how profitable (or not) this PAOK TV experiment will be. Any ideas people ? Finally @Emperor @ukworm @Mitsos @almand don’t forget to pay for a sub for the game coming this week, ha ha. Radio.... like the good old times my friend ? Or dodgystream.com ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 So far ... 7,500 PAOK TV annual subscriptions sold 3,500 single game (PAOK - Aris) sold Also 57 etablishments are listed on the Hot Spot list as having subscribed to the commercial package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athens4 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Disappointing to see that no establishment in Athens has taken on the package. I will be in Greece this weekend but I doubt I will see the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAOKSYD Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 4 hours ago, Blackhawk said: So far ... 7,500 PAOK TV annual subscriptions sold 3,500 single game (PAOK - Aris) sold Also 57 etablishments are listed on the Hot Spot list as having subscribed to the commercial package. They should put a sale rep on the ground go around signing up commercial premises! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teke817 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I'm discouraged because these numbers are still too low ... By kick off if they can't get at least 50,000 subscribed views for PAOK-Aris then I am really concerned they won't get close to the $6MM they could have gotten from Nova for the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 NOVA was not giving us 6 mil. Only 4.5 mil. If we get 50,000 annual subscriptions it will be a huge success in my opinion. The Hot Spots number is now at 101, including one in Athens. I also think that some establishments outside of Thessaloniki will choose not to be included in the list for obvious reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 PAOK TV will also show the K19 game between PAOK and Aris tomorrow at 11:00 EEST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Todays numbers: 13,000 season subscriptions 5,000 individual for the PAOK - Aris game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 937,000 EUR + whatever we got for the first two games + that slovan game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiankos Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Το ότι θα έχουμε κέρδος σε σχέση με τα 4,5 μύρια που έδινε η Νόβα είναι το μόνο σίγουρο παιδιά. @Athens4 αν δεν αγοράσεις subscription καλό θα ήταν να σταματήσεις και να ποστάρεις. Συμφωνείς; Hotspots πρέπει να γίνουν σίγουρα 1000+. Καταρχήν οποιαδήποτε καφετέρια/πρακτορείο ΟΠΑΠ/ταβέρνα κλπ στη Θεσσαλονίκη δεν βάλει είναι αυτοκτονία. Και όπως είπε ο Χρήστος, μπορεί κάποια που είναι στην Αθήνα να μην θέλουν να μπούνε στη λίστα, αλλά θα αγοράσουν το subscription καθώς εκεί θα βέβαιο ότι τα μαγαζιά θα γεμίσουν στα ΠΑΟΚ-Ολυμπιακός/Παναθηναϊκός/ΑΕΚ. Στόχος τα 50Κ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAOKSYD Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 I would love to know how many subscriptions are from Australia and from which cities in Australia. How could we find this out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athens4 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 22 hours ago, Yiankos said: Το ότι θα έχουμε κέρδος σε σχέση με τα 4,5 μύρια που έδινε η Νόβα είναι το μόνο σίγουρο παιδιά. @Athens4 αν δεν αγοράσεις subscription καλό θα ήταν να σταματήσεις και να ποστάρεις. Συμφωνείς; Εγώ δεν έχω λεφτά αυτή τη στιγμή φίλε. Όμως βοήθησα τον πατέρα μου σήμερα να αγοράσει το πακέτο. Κάτι είναι κι’αυτο. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Eagle Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 So far: 21,000 season subscriptions; 10,000 individual for tomorrow's PAOK - Aris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 1.529 million. We'll at least make more than with Nova, at this rate. I should start a google doc on this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiankos Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Αυτοί είναι οι οπαδοί του ΠΑΟΚ. Τουλάχιστον ξέρουμε για τι μιλάμε. 28.701 που πηγαίνουν στο γήπεδο και περίπου 50Κ που είναι διατεθειμένοι να δώσουν έστω ένα συμβολικό ποσό (they even have payment plan for $7 per month) για την "αγαπημένη" τους ομάδα. Roughly, είμαστε 75Κ λοιπόν. Και τα υπόλοιπα 700/800Κ πόσοι δηλώνουν ΠΑΟΚτσήδες δεν θέλουν/μπορούν/ενδιαφέρονται να συμμετάσχουν στην πρωτοποριακή κίνηση που κάνει η ΠΑΕ μας και που συνταράσσει όλη την ποδοσφαιρική Ελλάδα. Και που πολύ πιθανόν να αλλάξει τις ισορροπίες καθώς είτε τα νούμερα που προσφέρει η ΕΡΤ/Νόβα θα αλλάξουν, είτε και οι άλλες μεγάλες ομάδες θα ακολουθήσουν το δρόμο του ΠΑΟΚ. Και ναι, θα είναι εξαιρετικά ενδιαφέρον να μάθουμε πόσα subscriptions αγοράστηκαν από κάθε πόλη ξεχωριστά. Να ξέρουμε τι λέμε και που βρισκόμαστε. Γιατί καλά τα ευχολόγια των δεκάδων χιλιάδων οπαδών του ΠΑΟΚ στη Γερμανία για παράδειγμα, αλλά δυστυχώς ο οπαδός του ΠΑΟΚ έχει αποδείξει πολλάκις ότι δεν ακολουθεί/στηρίζει την ομάδα όσο θα θέλαμε εμείς οι πιο ρομαντικοί! Μπράβο σε όλα τα αλάνια ιδιαίτερα του εξωτερικού που αγόρασαν ή θα αγοράσουν subscription! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) Does anybody know the numbers for the Panionios game? This is what I have so far for my little scoreboard: Opponent Price # Sold Net SEASON PRICE 1 (through O ARIS) €69.99 21,000.00 €1,469,790.00 COMMERCIAL SUBS €200.00 101.00 €20,200.00 8/25 Panaitolikos €4.99 45,000.00 €224,550.00 8/29 Slovan Bratislava €4.99 5,000.00 €24,950.00 Slovan/Panionios package €7.99 35,000.00 €279,650.00 9/1 Panionios €4.99 €0.00 9/22 Aris €7.99 10,000.00 €79,900.00 Lamia €4.99 10,000.00 €49,900.00 Panathinaikos €7.99 €0.00 AEL €4.99 €0.00 Xanthi €4.99 €0.00 Atromitos €4.99 €0.00 AEK €7.99 €0.00 Asteras €4.99 €0.00 Volos €4.99 €0.00 OFI €4.99 €0.00 Olympiakos €7.99 €0.00 €2,148,940.00 <-- total sales If I remember to do so, I'll continue updating it. I'll probably have to put new price points for season tickets going forward, assuming we get detail that granular. Suffice to say, we'll likely beat 4mm at this rate Edited September 22, 2019 by pash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Eagle Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 I don’t know if the Panionios game was sold seperately. I recollect from those days only that the Slovan game or the Slovan-Panionios- package was available. And not one just for Panionios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Seems weird that they would split it up, but it's certainly possible. Accidentally copied down the 10k sales for Aris down into the Lamia game up above. Whoops. Will correct later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teke817 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) I think the number was "over $5MM" per https://www.paok24.com/blog/paok24/136433/o-paok-plisiazei-sto-open Also the $5MM was net whereas we have undisclosed expenses - I think Nova claimed $100k cost for each broadcast. Either way, seems far off and maximum 25-35k viewers for PAOK-Aris is a huge, huge setback. No reason to expect even half that for teams like Lamia, Volos, Xanthi, AEL, etc. Edited September 23, 2019 by teke817 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 You're 100% right - the majority of what PAOK is making, is being spent on producing the content. They need to massively increase sales to truly compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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