PAOK TV-Radio Coverage (including streams)

[Blackhawk]

I think you're making the mistake assuming that PAOK's  main goal with PAOK TV is to match what NOVA was offering. The main objective is to become independent of NOVA seeing that they will soon become under control of Olympiakos owner.

The article you are quoting clearly says that NOVA if they decide to enter official negotiations with PAOK will not go over 5 mil. At the end the official offer was little bit over 4.5 mil. Also don't forget that last season NOVA was paying PAOK 6.5 mil, and with the season that PAOK had dominating everything the offer under 5 mil was a slap in the face. At the same time Panathinaikos got a 1.5 mil raise by going to NOVA.

Like I said the main goal is for PAOK to control their own TV rights and they will be happy just to break even. Also I don't think the expanses for the production are as high as the 100K per game you quoted. The company doing the production is already under contract with Open TV (owned by Savvidis) and I am sure they got a good deal.

[Soprano76]

When will they start to be more aggressive with selling advertising slots during the game? IMO that would cover a lot of money. 

[Blackhawk]

There is advertising during pre-game and half time.

[pash]

Must...buy...cheese

[Blackhawk]

I have some numbers for our accountant pash:

35,000 annual subscriptions (this number does not include subscriptions outside of Greece).
Over 500 commercial subscriptions.

As for advertising, PAE PAOK is projecting that revenue from advertising tied to PAOK TV will be around 2 mil.

[pash]

Boom!

 

	Opponent	Price	# Sold	Net
	SEASON PRICE 1 (through O ARIS)	€69.99	35,000.00	€2,449,650.00
	COMMERCIAL SUBS	€200.00	500.00	€100,000.00
8/25	Panaitolikos	€4.99	45,000.00	€224,550.00
8/29	Slovan Bratislava	€4.99	5,000.00	€24,950.00
	Slovan/Panionios package	€7.99	35,000.00	€279,650.00
9/1	Panionios	€4.99		€0.00
9/22	Aris	€7.99	10,000.00	€79,900.00
	Lamia	€4.99		€0.00
	Panathinaikos	€7.99		€0.00
	AEL	€4.99		€0.00
	Xanthi	€4.99		€0.00
	Atromitos	€4.99		€0.00
	AEK	€7.99		€0.00
	Asteras	€4.99		€0.00
	Volos	€4.99		€0.00
	OFI	€4.99		€0.00
	Olympiakos	€7.99		€0.00
				€3,158,700.00	<-- total sales
	Advertising:			€2,000,000.00
				€5,158,700.00	<-- net income

[PAOKSYD]

Great work guys, so keen to see How this all plays out. 

How many subscriptions are from outside of Greece, if 35,000 is only from within Greece? 

[teke817]

Nice @pash and the ad revenue changes everything, although I'm totally stunned the cheese lobby has that much cheddar to throw around (ba dum tss)

[pash]

Well, they do have a big kefal(otiri) okay I'll see myself out

[Yiankos]

So before O Aris game we had 35K subscriptions and 10K purchased the pay per view? And these numbers are without people outside of Greece?

[pash]

The last update I had seen before the aris game was the 21k, but I am assuming the 35k is the "final" count by then. No idea on the foreign subscriptions though - I have a feeling info will start to slow down on that front.

[Blackhawk]

Commercial subs: 552 

pash do your magic.

[pash]

Not a huge difference. The problem at this point is figuring out what price point these new #s (for subs) are coming in at. The math will get fuzzier, but at least fewer people will be getting subscriptions as time goes on.

 

	Opponent	Price	# Sold	Net
	SEASON PRICE 1 (through O ARIS)	€69.99	35,000.00	€2,449,650.00
	COMMERCIAL SUBS	€200.00	552.00	€110,400.00
8/25	Panaitolikos	€4.99	45,000.00	€224,550.00
8/29	Slovan Bratislava	€4.99	5,000.00	€24,950.00
	Slovan/Panionios package	€7.99	35,000.00	€279,650.00
9/1	Panionios	€4.99		€0.00
9/22	Aris	€7.99	10,000.00	€79,900.00
	Lamia	€4.99		€0.00
	Panathinaikos	€7.99		€0.00
	AEL	€4.99		€0.00
	Xanthi	€4.99		€0.00
	Atromitos	€4.99		€0.00
	AEK	€7.99		€0.00
	Asteras	€4.99		€0.00
	Volos	€4.99		€0.00
	OFI	€4.99		€0.00
	Olympiakos	€7.99		€0.00
				€3,169,100.00	<-- total sales
	Advertising:			€2,000,000.00
				€5,169,100.00	<-- net income

[pash]

Well this is interesting: https://inpaok.com/601808/big-deal-paoktv-ke-opap/

No way they'll pay 4k @ 200 per screen, but this should be a very healthy bump for them.

[Blackhawk]

Sure they will get a volume discount. 124 Euro.

[pash]

Why not plug it in! Wheee

	Opponent	Price	# Sold	Net
	SEASON PRICE 1 (through O ARIS)	€69.99	35,000.00	€2,449,650.00
	COMMERCIAL SUBS	€200.00	552.00	€110,400.00
	OPAP subs	€124.00	4,000.00	€496,000.00	<-- est
8/25	Panaitolikos	€4.99	45,000.00	€224,550.00
8/29	Slovan Bratislava	€4.99	5,000.00	€24,950.00
	Slovan/Panionios package	€7.99	35,000.00	€279,650.00
9/1	Panionios	€4.99		€0.00
9/22	Aris	€7.99	10,000.00	€79,900.00
	Lamia	€4.99		€0.00
	Panathinaikos	€7.99		€0.00
	AEL	€4.99		€0.00
	Xanthi	€4.99		€0.00
	Atromitos	€4.99		€0.00
	AEK	€7.99		€0.00
	Asteras	€4.99		€0.00
	Volos	€4.99		€0.00
	OFI	€4.99		€0.00
	Olympiakos	€7.99		€0.00
				€3,665,100.00	<-- total sales
	Advertising:			€2,000,000.00
				€5,665,100.00	<-- net income

[Yiankos]

Έξυπνη κίνηση από τον ΟΠΑΠ!

[pash]

Just got this in an email:

[Blackhawk]

Cool. That way you can pay the 69.99 annual subscription in 10 monthly installments. Too late for me as I paid the full amount already.

[PAOKSYD]

It's Netflix Paok edition! 

[Blackhawk]

Yeah but PAOK TV does not have Narcos.

[PAOKSYD]

Yeah ,PAOK TV should make a paok series on Aggelos going to Agios Oros!

[pash]

Updated for the 616 confirmed subs. Unclear if any of these were at a slightly lower price due to the one game that had passed.

	Opponent	Price	# Sold	Net
	SEASON PRICE 1 (through O ARIS)	€69.99	35,000.00	€2,449,650.00
	COMMERCIAL SUBS	€200.00	616.00	€123,200.00
	OPAP subs	€124.00	4,000.00	€496,000.00
8/25	Panaitolikos	€4.99	45,000.00	€224,550.00
8/29	Slovan Bratislava	€4.99	5,000.00	€24,950.00
	Slovan/Panionios package	€7.99	35,000.00	€279,650.00
9/1	Panionios	€4.99		€0.00
9/22	Aris	€7.99	10,000.00	€79,900.00
	Lamia	€4.99		€0.00
	Panathinaikos	€7.99		€0.00
	AEL	€4.99		€0.00
	Xanthi	€4.99		€0.00
	Atromitos	€4.99		€0.00
	AEK	€7.99		€0.00
	Asteras	€4.99		€0.00
	Volos	€4.99		€0.00
	OFI	€4.99		€0.00
	Olympiakos	€7.99		€0.00
				€3,677,900.00	<-- total sales
	Advertising:			€2,000,000.00
				€5,677,900.00	<-- net income

[Nilaul]

So paok allready made more then Novas/ERT offer?

[pash]

Minus their own overhead, but yeah. I don't know much about production costs, but there has to be some outlay (even if Blackhawk's suspicion that they're getting a deal is right). I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that at this point, the only big numbers we may yet see will come from individual games. There are probably people waiting for the playoffs to spend the 6.99 for one month of games that actually matter.