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USA 2020 Elections: The Democrats

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9 hours ago, Pepito said:

But please DO NOT say that 'everyone is pushing their own truth' - there is only one truth.

Is some ways yes, 2+2=4 that is true. But in life, things are more nuanced and not always black or white. In many cases there is not only one truth in my opinion. Everyone's own experience and point of view has an effect on what they see to be true. Some things are simply not scientifically measurable or explicitly proven, many things are subjective or relative. You seem to be smart enough I think to come up with a scenario or two where the truth is not always so cut and dry, and there might be more than just one.

Thanks for agreeing to tone it down, it is in the interest of keeping a good discourse going and not having things go pear shaped or turning to bird bath conversation. It will be more fun for everyone here if we can argue our points in good faith and good content.

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Since this topic is about the 2020 Elections: The Democrats...

Thomas Friedman wrote an OpEd in the NYT arguing that Biden shouldn't debate Trump unless the latter makes his tax returns public, as every prez candidate has done in the last 50 years.  Also, that there should be fact checkers, who before the show is over, will point out the fallacies/misstatements/lies said during the debate. NYT article

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On 6/26/2020 at 6:06 PM, Pepito said:

First of all you don't vote in the US. I do. Second, this is not a question about 'the best possible candidate'. We don't live in La-La Land. The players are set, the lines are drawn. The battle is between Trump and Biden. Don't give me the 'Biden is not good enough'. As I said in my very first post addressing your postings. Pick a side. There are two competitors, one battleground. If you are not with one, then you support the other. The rules of the game are as clear as daylight.

Jeez....and all this time I thought you were Mexican.
As long as people continue to apply "reality tv" mentality to such important issues there will never be any change. If enough people don't pick sides then a 3rd option (4th and even 5th) will have to materialize, but as long as the same old tired narrative of "If you are not with one, then you support the other" continues then the soap opera will continue ad nauseam....and that's how Trump ended up as president.

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^^^^

Mexicans, Greeks, et al, vote if they're citizens...  But, unfortunately there is electoral fraud (I didn't say voter fraud), since it's the policy of the Republican party to prevent people and groups from voting, and they draw districts in such a way as to favor their party. That's why you see their party gets more seats in states like Wisconsin, N. Carolina, etc, even though it gets fewer votes than the Dem party.

As to picking a side, wouldn't you say the rules determine how the game is played?

Of course, so the next president WILL BE either a Dem or a Repub--Biden or Trump. If they die before the election, their parties will replace them with someone else. Voting for another candidate, hoping for a change, it's a wasted effort in my opinion. And, it's stupid today, if I may add, because these two are so different that there's a clear choice; and no one should sit this out.

By the way, have you thought why there have been 2 major parties/coalitions in American politics since the first election?

The system favors 2 major parties, plus, in my opinion, tradition plays a role...

 

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On 7/11/2020 at 4:46 PM, Epicurus said:

By the way, have you thought why there have been 2 major parties/coalitions in American politics since the first election?

Yes I have...it's simply a matter of facilitating control regardless of the outcome. That's why all the big time lobbyists cultivate influence over both parties.

 

On 7/11/2020 at 4:46 PM, Epicurus said:

As to picking a side, wouldn't you say the rules determine how the game is played?

Rules are changed in any game when it is deemed necessary i.e. when there is a need to level the playing field, to make the game fairer or more appealing.....other times they are changed to favor the financially stronger teams which usually leads to corruption and takes away the ability of the financially lesser teams to compete.

 

On 7/11/2020 at 4:46 PM, Epicurus said:

Voting for another candidate, hoping for a change, it's a wasted effort in my opinion. And, it's stupid today, if I may add, because these two are so different that there's a clear choice; and no one should sit this out.

I am honestly sorry you feel that way because change has to start somewhere otherwise we are simply spinning our tires....and while there is a truth in regards to the clear differences between the 2 parties, I would argue that they are the flipped sides of the same coin. This of course is simply my opinion as an outsider.

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^^^

I want rainbows and butterflies, and all people to live in harmony.  But, the reality is different. And, if you don't truly understand reality, including how the game is played, you can't be a force for change. At least for change that leads to positive outcomes.

ps. same coin, but it's like, heads you live, tails you die... (I hope you see the difference)

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For you (and most people in the western world, myself included) reality is a matter of convenience, an excuse for accepting and not having to make too strenuous an effort to effect and affect change and just go with the flow. So we sit in our comfy armchairs and philosophize....some say things have always been this way so what can you do, others call for changes, others rewrite past events to suit their immediate needs and justify themselves, etc. Reality changes as you shift from one perspective to another so I don't know that reality nowadays has anything to do with elections in the US otherwise there would be realistic options available.

Last elections  : Trump vs Hillary - there were no realistic options so you ended up with Trump simply as a [email protected](# you from the american people to the Dems. The rest of the world has had to live with this just as much as the US population and while it has been a barrel of laughs and highly entertaining I don't think the US or the rest of the world can handle another 4 yrs of Trump. The american people have shown they don't mind going with the greater of 2 evils if they feel cornered so the "vote for me or else" strategy has already proven to be a failure.

pps. here is the reality: same coin ....heads or tails we all die in the end

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