dimitriis Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 It doesn't matter whether they win or lose! They will still create trouble because most of the organised supporters are mindless scum. from sportfm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montreal_Thrillos Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 u actually believe these things ? im not saying that we dont cause violenec but is every fight u hear of OSFP related? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick13 Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 it is time they punished oly again like last year! i say deduct atleast 3 points everytime this happens forget about playing games without fans that is not the right way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drakos13 Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 u actually believe these things ? im not saying that we dont cause violenec but is every fight u hear of OSFP related? actually this is true thrillosmtl, no bullshit at all, at least for kallithea match.i was at the kallithea game and i had no idea where the busstop to go back to syntagma/anywhere but shitty kallithea so i followed the masses i just figured they were going too....it went through a small dark neighborhood alley with on the other end was a highway/traffic so i assumed it was towards the sta8mo, i followed the crowd.... and ahead of me i hear yelling, and see flares lit up and thrown and all the PAO fans running towards them chasing the gavroi, with bike chains, debris, breaking branches off trees even...... i even got a small video clip of people running towards them. And yes, the OSFP fans did run away on their bikes because then everyone ran back to their own mixanakia and went to chase them.....i saw this. also dont blame this on the fans of either team......these are kids. they do stupid things. most of these kids were 14-19 years with a few scattered losers in their 30s who thought this was really important.....im sure all hooligans in greece are the same PAO or OSFP or AEK/PAOK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montreal_Thrillos Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 u actually believe these things ? im not saying that we dont cause violenec but is every fight u hear of OSFP related? actually this is true thrillosmtl, no bullshit at all, at least for kallithea match.i was at the kallithea game and i had no idea where the busstop to go back to syntagma/anywhere but shitty kallithea so i followed the masses i just figured they were going too....it went through a small dark neighborhood alley with on the other end was a highway/traffic so i assumed it was towards the sta8mo, i followed the crowd.... and ahead of me i hear yelling, and see flares lit up and thrown and all the PAO fans running towards them chasing the gavroi, with bike chains, debris, breaking branches off trees even...... i even got a small video clip of people running towards them. And yes, the OSFP fans did run away on their bikes because then everyone ran back to their own mixanakia and went to chase them.....i saw this. also dont blame this on the fans of either team......these are kids. they do stupid things. most of these kids were 14-19 years with a few scattered losers in their 30s who thought this was really important.....im sure all hooligans in greece are the same PAO or OSFP or AEK/PAOK. wow i hope u didnt get hurt.these are just idiots to mee any clowns who cause violence are not fans of my team we might as well call them mafia gangster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montreal_Thrillos Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 it is time they punished oly again like last year! i say deduct atleast 3 points everytime this happens forget about playing games without fans that is not the right way this is still not going to solve the problemso what if they lose 3 points they wont care they will still cause violence just to feel special regardless if the team is last with -30 points and if u remove 3 points each time.. this will just make them harder What is wrong with JAILTIME to solve the issue ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drakos13 Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 every incident cannot be held responsible to the club!!! these are KIDS, being stupid KIDS. The club cannot be responsible for their behavior simply because while fighting they yell PAO ole or Thrinos gera, or wear jackets with a shamrock......thats ridiculous, and immoral. There is and should be a line. Outside the stadium its a problem of Dimos Kallitheas or whatever. Everything outside the stadium the club cant be responsible because they didnt issue them tickets to be there, like in a stadium. So if fans attack a fan club or something stupid like that, understand the law supports FC DIKAIOSYNI and doesnt give a ###### about if they are OSFP or PAO or what colour their kaskol is. It shouldnt matter. If people get rowdy or ambush each other what the ###### could the club do about it? Its not their business just because they do it in the name of their club! I hate seeing people post bullshit like this, saying PAO or Thrinos should be fined or dectuted points because of things that happen in peoples personal lives....the clubs cannot be held responsible by law and should be neither the league for this behavior. There should be no arguement about it whatsoever. It should never happen, even in extreme circumstances: if the club cannot do anything possible to prevent this then they must never be held responsible for it. The only thing i think these clubs could do is register their fans as "citizens" and have their own police force to monitor them, and thats totally ridiculous. The police should be doing a better job of introducing these kids to jailtime like ThrillosMTL said, or use more painful riot control. I bet if there were rubber bullets more people would gladly NOT challenge the police. If the cops would catch some guys instead of getting their ass kicked maybe that would help too. Look at America...many more of those protests could have gone crazy--- oh but rubber bullets, gas, and getting trampled by horses and flanked by police only to wind up with your ass kicked and behind bars makes it a lot less worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almamatter Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 It is simple. In Greece everybody knows someone that has acces to police and politicians. The police does their best and captures the freaks, but the next day they are out because they know someone important that can let them free. Police after all this years is sick and tired of chasing them and then having to let them unpunised so these days they prefer to scare them off instead of hunting them down... ONLY IN GREECE..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitriis Posted October 3, 2005 Author Share Posted October 3, 2005 One of the important initiatives that Thacheric Britain accomplished was to eliminate hooliganism, by doing the simplest thing possible. Arresting violent fans, JAILING them (without paying to get out the next day and all that s%$#!), releasing them after completion of their sentence on parole and making them do a lot of social service. After that no major trouble was ever caused (at least inside the stadiums) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evergreen Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 If you think hooliganism is dead in England then you know nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitriis Posted October 4, 2005 Author Share Posted October 4, 2005 Hooliganism may not be dead, but at least there are much less incidences taking place during football matches. There are no bars separating the fans from the players and frankly I haven't heard of any major incidences during my time in the UK (last eight years). I don't say that nothing ever happens, but the change from mid 80s until today has been dramatic. Nevertheless, the English fans are renowned for causing trouble when abroad. Now outside the stadiums in the outskirts of Liverpool I don't know what happens, if you know more than me, maybe you can enlighten us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 it is time they punished oly again like last year! i say deduct atleast 3 points everytime this happens forget about playing games without fans that is not the right way why only 3?why not make it 10 or 20.the only problem is everybody in greece that means pao(parhenopipitses)-aek-paok-ofi when the fans are using any kind of problems ###### the teams.not only osfp.if you have the same punishment for all then i am cool.fotovolides-aisxra pano-epeisodia-vrisies-otidipote mi sosto adeiaze ta gipeda kai vale tous upeuthinous filaki.etsi isos na ftiaksei i katastasi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYC_Olympiakos Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 dam u Pao fans have gone so ###### low i mean u now blame us for hooliganism and u want to get 3 points deducted so pao can still be close to thyrlos if u want i can give u 3 points and still won't matter we will have a 4 point lead fact is u want to play like this so can i i will find some of the crap your supporters do and well fight fire with fire u losersssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pao123 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 dam u Pao fans have gone so ###### low i mean u now blame us for hooliganism and u want to get 3 points deducted so pao can still be close to thyrlos if u want i can give u 3 points and still won't matter we will have a 4 point lead fact is u want to play like this so can i i will find some of the crap your supporters do and well fight fire with fire u losersssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss losers??? are you talking to us or are you talking about your euro campaign... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billydagreek Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 hooliganism is still aroung in many parts of the world , way worse than in Greece, plus you think every incident gets reported, most dont..............by the way you guys should watch green street hooligans...great movie about hooligans came out like three weeks ago................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drakos13 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 dam u Pao fans have gone so ###### low i mean u now blame us for hooliganism and u want to get 3 points deducted so pao can still be close to thyrlos if u want i can give u 3 points and still won't matter we will have a 4 point lead fact is u want to play like this so can i i will find some of the crap your supporters do and well fight fire with fire u losersssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss that was one poster that said that. READ the threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOLLYWOOD Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 dam u Pao fans have gone so ###### low i mean u now blame us for hooliganism and u want to get 3 points deducted so pao can still be close to thyrlos if u want i can give u 3 points and still won't matter we will have a 4 point lead fact is u want to play like this so can i i will find some of the crap your supporters do and well fight fire with fire u losersssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss that was one poster that said that. READ the threads. Sometimes you guys over react!!!!for example oly 11 blaminig all pao fans for this topic?? and the guy who started the topic blaming oly for fan violence.... relax guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Protathlitis Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 Hooliganism in Greece, almost monopolised by OSFP fans Im glad you Gay13 fans can finally admit this :LOL: :LOL: seriously go to a gate13 website if you think that, they will jump on your throat if you say they are not a strong group of hooligans I agree they are just Kotes but Im glad you can finally admit it :LOL: :LOL: :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitriis Posted October 4, 2005 Author Share Posted October 4, 2005 Since I started this thread I would like to make a few things clear to you. I never said deduct points from OSFP for troublemaking outside the stadiums. That would be lame and wouldn't make for a competitive championship. I am sure the person who mentioned it was being sarcastic. I wanted to start a thread on hooliganism by bringing OSFP violence as an example to tease you skatogauroi. Obviously, I am fully aware that supporters from other teams (most teams) can be violent, especially within masses (h dunamh tou oxlou) Oso gia tis kotes pou anaferetai o poustathlitis, diladi re file eisai magkas ama pas kai sthseis se kapoion enedra 10 pros 1? Eisai magkas ama spas karekles, petas kadronia kai timwreitai h omada sou? Esy eisai h kota, o stenomualos, o opados tou kwlou (kai apogonos tou stolou gia na mhn ksexniomaste)! Filika panta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittman13 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 go dimitriis go!!!! :nw: :tup: :LOL: in britsland, all they know is runn naked on the terrain... but of course this has never happpened in Greece (pali kala)!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Protathlitis Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 Oso gia tis kotes pou anaferetai o poustathlitis, diladi re file eisai magkas ama pas kai sthseis se kapoion enedra 10 pros 1? hahaha funny how you can say that when you have NO idea whatsoeverI fund it ###### hilarious that you think OSFP fans use 'impolite tactics' and that if they do they are the only ones. paok or your own kota fans are real honorable :blink: put kids under 15 in hospital why dont you after youve attacked him from behind. bravo sas ooust kotopoula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitriis Posted October 4, 2005 Author Share Posted October 4, 2005 Did anyone delete it or move it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitriis Posted October 4, 2005 Author Share Posted October 4, 2005 Found it! It was moved to Other... Topics and Issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 you see dimitris even you can not keep the conversation straight.you guys remember whatever you feel like and you start saying about hooligans.if anything is to happen in greece about it ,it must be an effort from everyone and not target some groups and leave others unpunished.as ginoume agglia........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitriis Posted October 4, 2005 Author Share Posted October 4, 2005 crazy, I keep a conversation as straight as you want, trust me! A moderator moved the thread from the Panathinaikos forum here. Then I asked in the PAO forum what happened to the hooliganism thread and the moderator pasted my posts from that thread, here. Don't know why really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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