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Croatia - Greece ( Round 2, 1st Leg, 9 Nov. 2017, Stadion Maksimir, Zagreb )


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11 minutes ago, druid said:

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Sadly, Rizzoli was busy today so he couldn't shift the match in greek favor. Not that it would matter, looking how bad these 11 are.

are you in pain that mighty dzeko couldn't score against a team who to faroes?

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manolas, toro, mantalos, donis  ----alll sorely mised....

different game if they were there...

sadly, we came out flat, conceding possession, etc.etc. we let croation dictate the pace of the game and impose their stamp on how things were gonna be.....

u CANT sit back ---- other teams MUST respect and have SOME fear that they will be scored on....croats had NO fear and their mids went deep into our zone without hesitation....

thats what happens when tactically u decide to park the bus and absorb pressure early. 

 

and THEN, the moron Skibbe makes stupid changes and subs.  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! u have three offensive minded guys , u can move pap up if u want, .......especially after 4-1 what's to lose?  i dont get it. 

we looked lost, unsure, with no "plan" whatsoever........very surprising ------ very unprepared.....

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We needed a flawless performances today and too many things went wrong.

1. Torosidis out (Having to play Maniatis)

2. Manolas out

3. Donis out

4. Zeca defanged with a yellow

5. Zeca with a clean tackle that could've led to a breakaway called foul.

6. Not starting Laz

7. Starting Tziolis.

 

Should've been Laz on the wing, Zeca in Tziolis's place who was invisible.

 

 

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A disaster, we have gone downhill since the first Belgium game. There the NT was in control until the red card. Then at home Skibbe tried with an extra-defensive tactics, and now even with five (or six? or were Maniatis and Stafylidis wingers?) backs. We should have played like against Belgium away, with counterattacks, not the park-the-bus nonsense. Boxou was right before the game: if one sits only back there defensive live will be broken. And now there was almost no line.

I am sad for I was for overall defensive tactics but it was overdone now and this backfired. Karnezis gave away a stupid penalty, after that he was OK, had three or four fine saves. Maniatis was horrible, Retsos should have been RB and Maniatis DM (alongside Zeca), Papadopoulos and Papastathopoulos were not that bad, the latter was arguably our best player. Tzavellas was slightly better than Maniatis or Stafylidis but had a very average game. Stafylidis made a laughable fault. Samaris was crap, one of his worst performances. Zeca put up a decent fight, played with heart & passion, he was one of our better outfield players. Tziolis was the usual grey and mediocre defensive midfielder. Fortounis was not that bad, gave an assist, and delivered another great corner at the end. Mitroglou at least tried, he was far from his top form. Retsos had an acceptable second half performance, Tachtsidis could not be worse than Samaris, Bakasetas was sometimes painful to watch.

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It should have been like this: Karnezis - Retsos, K. Papadopoulos, Papastathopoulos, Tzavellas - Tachtsidis/Maniatis/Tziolis, Fortounis, Zeca - Christodoulopoulos/Bakasetas/Pelkas, Mitroglou, Stafylidis. Our trusted 4-3-3 would have worked, even if Lazaros/Bakasetas/Pelkas would have been almost certainly invisible. We should have been more offensive, and Samaris shouldnt have been there at all. Even Kourbelis would have been better.

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we actually had plenty of chances too. Mitroglou 3 shots on target and saved and 2 more near missed

we were unlucky with finishing and made too many mistakes defending.

2 of the goals were attempted back passes to Karnezis. Should have gone for a safe clearance rather than pass back to the goalie. Way too risky.

 

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We defended like a team canada it was disgraceful. Every goal except one was a gift. It’s like we had a bunch of Lovrens on our side. We give up 1 goal in Belgium to a superior team down a man for 30 mins and today 3 goals in a half hour. Just unacceptable.

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54 minutes ago, Boxou said:

hey muslim, once you win the euros make a call to us. or when you win a game there. or score a goal. or basically when you'll qualify for the first time

Bosnia is just another made up country like the Skops they have nothing and are nothing. Bunch of p*****s.

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We must face it: our Golden Generation was the 2004-2014 team. Especially our midfielders are far far worse than key players of our All Stars Team, Zagorakis, Basinas, Giannakopoulos, Karagounis, and Tsiartas. Katsouranis was the last one among them. Now we have glittering mediocrities (Samaris Tachtsidis Christodoulopoulos Mantalos + Ninis Kolovos) and hard-working nobodies (Maniatis Tziolis Bouchalakis + Petsos). We should reactivate Katsouranis and Karagounis (I know it isnt possible, but the team must have leaders who have authority because either of their achievements/experiences or their abilities). Among our players of today, only Sokratis Papastathopoulos has the qualities of a leader.

Those F***heads who didnt give Santos in 2014 the greater salary he wanted are among the main culprits. With that great coach at the helm, we would have somehow continued to overachieve like before 2014. One cannot win games without winning the midfield (as perhaps tantra said before the game), and since 2010-11 we did this with basically crap players. How Santos was capable of such a feat like two second rounds with Katsouranis & Karagounis who were actually mummies in 2014 and with the likes of Maniatis, Ninis, Holebas, Kone, Samaris etc. etc. thats beyond me.

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43 minutes ago, georgelaz said:

We needed a flawless performances today and too many things went wrong.

1. Torosidis out (Having to play Maniatis)

2. Manolas out

3. Donis out

4. Zeca defanged with a yellow

5. Zeca with a clean tackle that could've led to a breakaway called foul.

6. Not starting Laz

7. Starting Tziolis.

 

Should've been Laz on the wing, Zeca in Tziolis's place who was invisible.

 

 

Zeca in Samaris' place who was worse than invisible.

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Originally I wrote my remark into the box of quoted text.
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It’s a shame we did not have Donis available to run at the weak Croatian defence. Lovren was brutal and in the last 5 minutes they were under pressure and completely disorganized as we were. If K Paps gets the ball to Mitroglou it’s 2-4, and then we have hope for Sunday in Greece.

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