RED SHERIFF Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 (edited) I can't understand why a club who clearly shouldn't be paying exorbitant wages to guys with either attitude or injury issues doesn't try and mine leagues whose players would jump at the chance to play in Europe. Looking close to home there are probably at least half a dozen Australian players who would make the team and at least bust their hump for the club. It's not like we don't have history with Australian players . ok.... Given where PAOK needs players..Other than Spiranovic I can't think of too many A League players that would fit in.... Remember Barbarouses was very average at PAO....And Franjic played 4 matches all season for the bottom Russian team... the free flowing summer A League is a different world to the grind of European football.. Edited May 4, 2015 by RED SHERIFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Korovesis confirmed in an interview that he will sign a 3-year contract with PAOK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 What is required is signings that aren't just squad standard. You need above average. Noboa is such a player and hopefully we can get a couple more like him. Lucas would be great as well. I've watched him in a few games for Depor and all in all, he's done well. Again, he's an above average player compared to the rest of the PAOK squad. More than anything we need a DM that can impose himself on the pitch and can provide cover for the back. Garcia was the last player that could do, although towards the end he didn't have the legs for it. None of our current DM's can do that. Get a similar CB and all of a sudden your midfielders can go forward freely without having to be scared of constantly backtracking to not concede goals. Fix the spine and things will begin to fall into place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiankos Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 What is required is signings that aren't just squad standard. You need above average. Noboa is such a player and hopefully we can get a couple more like him. That's exactly what we are keep doing for so many years. We have 3-4 very good players and then only average or mediocre players. So, I don't agree that we need Noboa and a couple more like him. We need Noboa (or Natcho) and seven or eight players like him to build a really strong squad. Otherwise, next year we are gonna talking why the team cannot win the Superleague, or why the team cannot beat teams like Schalke or Metalist and enter the Champions League's groups! I can't hear anymore excuses. Every team has a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Yiankos, I agree with not 100% but 1000%. My problem is I'm trying to be realistic given our budget. Having said that, I agree that to be serious contenders for the title I'd basically select the best 11-13 players from the current squad and boot the rest, and replace them with Noboa quality players. Natcho is another level up again, excellent player. As for CL qualification, with our current squad, it's 95% certain we can't beat teams like Schalke or Metalist. They are just too strong. And, even if we somehow with the luck of the gods went through, we'd get smashed in the CL. Our biggest problem is our revenue and budget. PAOK only generates about $15M in revenue. It's nowhere near close enough to what we need. It needs to be double that at least, preferably closer to $40M or $50M. How they do that is another story! Maybe buy up all the souvlatzidika in Thessaloniki ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share Posted May 5, 2015 The numbers don't lie. And yes we'd get smacked in the CL. We're weaker than last year, and I doubt next year will be better - we wouldn't get past the likes of Schalke. I don't see us fielding a team made up entirely of Noboas with the financial limits we need to live within. I'm guessing/assuming this 15mm is already taking into account the economic realities in Greece (instead of a rosy pre-crisis guesstimate)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 We are linked to Chavez from PAS Giannina according to rumors. Few times I watched PAS play this season, he was pretty good. However that does not mean he would do good at PAOK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) @ pash, the 15M was in some article in sport24.gr about a month ago. It just had a breakdown of the revenue per club over the last few years, and how it's been affected due to the economy. I can't remember the exact number, but it was somewhere around 15M give or take. Edited May 7, 2015 by Bananas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) Rate our team! Below I've rated our squad as I see it. Others who are lucky enough to watch more games could have a different opinion. Ratings 5 - Superb player. Almost impossible to replace. Example: Natcho. 4 - Excellent player. Hard to replace. Example: Noboa. Stoch (when he felt like playing). 3 - Good squad player. Not easily replaced. Example: Klaus. 2 - Decent squad player. Can be replaced fairly easily. 1 - For the tip. Player Position Age Rating Comment --------------- -------- --- ------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Glykos GK 28 2 Has done ok since breaking into the 1st team. Itandje GK 32 2 Has done ok recently without being exeptional. Skondras RB 25 3* Improved a lot this season. Cemented the RB position. Konstantinidis RB 20 2 Has improved considerably this season. One to watch next season. Kitsiou RB 21 2 Has regressed since being the first choice RB last season. Rat LB 33 3* Surprised me. Has done very well overall. Tzavellas LB 27 2 Aliti. Costa CB 33 2 Has pedigree. Needs to show it. Vitor CB 25 3* Still a 1st team choice when fit. Needs a reliable CB partner. Maduro DM 30 2 Time to go. Has pedigree but never delivered. Kace DM 21 3* The kid is only 21 and is a 1st team regular. Tziolis DM 30 2 Enigma. I think he still has a role in the team. Noboa CM 30 4** Expecting him to become our midfield general. Golasa CM 23 2 Shown glimpses but needs to show more. Mak AM 24 3* Fizzled towards the end of the season, but overall a great signing. Pereyra AM 27 3* Fizzled towards the end of the season, but overall a great signing. Koulouris FW 19 - Too early to judge. Papadopoulos FW 33 2 Has done quite well. Worth keeping as backup/rotation. Salpi FW 33 2 On the wane. I'd still keep him in the squad for morale. Klaus FW 26 3* Has age on his side. Expecting big things. Lucas FW 26 4** Playing in La Liga for a season can't hurt. Martens AM 30 2 Time to go. Has pedigree but never delivered. Edited May 7, 2015 by Bananas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiankos Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Nice job Bananas! So, very easily you showed that only nine players are above average and could play a vital role next year. Skondras, Rat, Vitor, Kace, Noboa, Mak, Peryera, Klaus, Lucas. In my opinion two of those (Vitor and Pereyra) are somewhere between 2 and 3 and not as good as the other seven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I agree but if I started to break it down into .5 it would make things less clear, so I elected to keep it simple. So, based on a 25 man squad we only need to make 15 or so above average signings .... Being realistic, if we can get a "3" rating GK, a 4 rating CB, and a 4 rating DM that can impose himself on the game and we're looking really good. Add Lucas into the mix for good measure. I don't think it's quite title winning material, but it's getting close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 Sounds like fun, I'll play too. Added Papagiannopoulos to this list. Skipping some of the kids who have bounced around between the youth and senior teams. Player Position Age Rating Comment --------------- -------- --- ------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Glykos GK 28 3 Kind of average, teeters between 2 and 3. Once he became starter, he was solid Itandje GK 32 2 Comes off as very unreliable, but has not been our problem Skondras RB 25 4 A very good right back, maybe the most improved from last season Konstantinidis RB 20 2 So fast. Makes some stupid mistakes. Kitsiou RB 21 1 Invisible. Last season was better for him. Perhaps should be played further up Rat LB 33 3 Somewhat inconsistent, but our best LB by far. Tzavellas LB 27 1 Cancer. Played as CB, very ineffective. Costa CB 33 2 Flop? Vitor CB 25 3 Our best CB. Carried the defense for both seasons. Papagiannopoulos CB 24 2 I liked what little I saw. Too bad the club is run by idiots. Hope he sticks around. Maduro DM 30 2 Who? Kace DM 21 4 Very talented, hugely aggressive. I really like this guy. Tziolis DM 30 2 Averaging this as a 2 due to his poor 13/14. Was great first half of 14/15. Noboa CM 30 3 Poor man's Natcho. Golasa CM 23 2 Inconsistent, good dribbler, usually looks dangerous. Mak AM 24 3 90% the player Stoch is for half the price Pereyra AM 27 4 Played behind the CF and in front of Noboa, will do a lot of damage Koulouris FW 19 1 Either should be played more or loaned out. Currently in purgatory. Papadopoulos FW 33 2 Much better than I expected. If Koulouris isn't trusted, worthy of playing. Salpi FW 33 1 An exceptionally poor season for my fav warrior. Sad to see his decline. Love him. Klaus FW 26 3 If he ended the season as well as he started, he'd already be owned by another team. Lucas FW 26 3 Can't handle big games. Potentially bad attitude. No brains. Exceptionally talented physically Martens AM 30 2 Who? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serraios Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 probably agree with most of that Pash, probably debate the Costa call however, see how he goes in the playoffs.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 Klaus also linked with Udinese apparently. Would be a huge deal for him if it went through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italosPAOK4 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 players that should be gone this summer : Tzavellas, Maduro, Martens, Salpi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 I wonder if the deal for Korovesis means he's tapped as the replacement for Tzavellas. He still has two more years on his contract after this season is up, so it could be difficult to get rid of him - esp if we don't end up with a new technical director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 probably agree with most of that Pash, probably debate the Costa call however, see how he goes in the playoffs.. He will hardly play in the playoffs. As it stands right now he might play in only one playoffs game. Rumors are that we came to an agreement with two more players, but are waiting for the new TD to come in and ok the deals. Wonder if they are Chavez and Velidis from PAS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serraios Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 the new TD really needs to be sorted out. not sure what the reason is for taking so long. Have the balls to make the appointment already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nea Bafra Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 the new TD really needs to be sorted out. not sure what the reason is for taking so long. Have the balls to make the appointment already. I'm guessing there's noone suitable in Greece and we can't afford anyone from Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nea Bafra Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Anyone else here play Football Manager? Maybe if we email the club screenshots of the squad we can assemble for PAOK in game then we can win the TD job, we couldn't do a worse job than Vryzas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 players that should be gone this summer : Tzavellas, Maduro, Martens, Salpi I'd like to Tzavellas go, but we first need to strengthen the squad. Salpi, just because he's been such a good servant to the club, I'd give him another season, but only off the bench and only if we need goals or it's a derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) Anyone else here play Football Manager? Maybe if we email the club screenshots of the squad we can assemble for PAOK in game then we can win the TD job, we couldn't do a worse job than Vryzas. I used to play, but the last version I've played was FM 2008. Man, what a good game. And frustrating!!! Loved it, lol. Nea Bafra, maybe open up a new thread and post screen shots of the players ? I'd love to see the stats on them. Edited May 8, 2015 by Bananas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiankos Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 He will hardly play in the playoffs. As it stands right now he might play in only one playoffs game. Rumors are that we came to an agreement with two more players, but are waiting for the new TD to come in and ok the deals. Wonder if they are Chavez and Velidis from PAS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italosPAOK4 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I'd like to Tzavellas go, but we first need to strengthen the squad. Salpi, just because he's been such a good servant to the club, I'd give him another season, but only off the bench and only if we need goals or it's a derby. Tzavellas should go because he is a stupid tsoglani. with Salpi going those fans bitching against him will calm down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serraios Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Anyone else here play Football Manager? Maybe if we email the club screenshots of the squad we can assemble for PAOK in game then we can win the TD job, we couldn't do a worse job than Vryzas. significant portions of my life lost to both FM and CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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