Original Sydney Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Ronaldo was a freak boys and he did it at a time when defenders were much tougher/dirtier. He also won awards when there was way more competition than what there is these days. Today who else but Messi & Ronaldo are favourites for player of the year? Back then there were stars in every league and NT teams. The best striker I have ever seen play 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
val Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Well said. Players like ronaldo are the reason you start watching the game. I think if I started watching nowadays, I wouldn't be so interested. I feel for the younger generation, hell I missed out on a lot. Unfortunately the seed has already been planted, but it gets harder with each passing season. In the past, players were much more technically gifted. They were worthy of their reputations and salary. Nowadays you have the likes of Muller and Diego Costa... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giourkas Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) No im fine watching Messi and Ronaldo trust me i personally think Messi is the best player the world has seen.You should watch highlights of a geriatric Zidane dismantling Brazil and willing France to the final of WC 2006.. He was no longer in his prime yet he made millions tingle in bewilderment.Both Messi and CR7 need to win on the national stage to be compared to the likes of Zidane, Maradonna, and the like... Bonus: here's Zidane in his prime vs Brazil in WC'98 https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=_lfs87QI8cA My God he was a Wizard in the truest sense of the word.. A midfield general.. A proper number 10 that controlled play effortlessly. Edited September 18, 2015 by Giourkas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giourkas Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Zidane didn't rely on speed as does Messi. At 35/6 do you think Messi will be as dominant as was Zidane in '06? Me thinks not... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giourkas Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Forwards vs midfielder. Apples to oranges... If I was building a team, and had the choice of either in their prime, I take the Frenchman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Sydney Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Messi is great but as I said before Zidane was a genius on the field. Unless you watched him week in week out you wouldn't understand..... Messi can do freaky s%$#! but Zidane could take it another level along with Brazilian Ronaldo, these guys were born winners for club and country, where as Messi has known to go into his shell when playing for Argentina, same as Cristiano..... The only thing that eluded Ronaldo was the CL and to think he was in one of the best Madrid teams ever assembled and still couldn't win it...... Give me the players of the 80s & 90s era over these guys any day of the week...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athinaios Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I agree. Obviously there are some players who handle the ball well, are football thinkers as they read the game well and act upon. But, who's the best? I don't think there's an answer unless you define precisely what this "best" means. Here are some factors. So, who's greater in these circumstances? great player, but team, never wins anything. Plenty of examples of such players not very technical but strong and his personality lifts the team to greatness different eras, different styles of football; the physical aspect alone would make a huge difference. A mediocre player today who's conditioned 100% would frustrate any "old timer" many of which were semi-amateurs... and when the training was not as scientific as it is today. the opposition has changed, in power and intensity, and strategy. Harder to do the stuff of the past on the pitch today. Keeping those things in mind, I think Messi has to be at the very top (I can't say "the best" for the reason I stated), because he's very diverse, and has done great in very hard competitive leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Pana97, it is really hard to judge. And yes, it's generational. But statistics only give you part of the picture. I tell you this much with certainty. The 40 and 50 goals that Christiano and Messi bang in La Liga, no way that would happen in the old Serie A. Not even close. They would probably get half that, which is still crazy. Back then, you'd be lucky to have one or two players get more than 20 goals for the season. The defenders back then were defenders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giourkas Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) I agree, with what has been said with regards to it being difficult to judge players over different generations. But what can be compared is how each player dominated his era. Although I never saw Pele play, an uncle of mine swears to this day that he was the most dominant player ever. Maradona struck the fear of God in any opposition. This is why I still consider those 2 the top 2. The way I see it, Messi and Ronaldo have not stuck out (by their standard of course) internationally on good NTs. They often are invisible or just don't make the same impact they do for their clubs.. Zidane on the other hand did stand out on a very very good NT squad that won a WC, a Euro, made it to another WC final.... Despite having the likes of Mackele, Viera, Henry, Trezeguet, Blanc, Ribiery, Pirez, Lizarazu, Anelka... Etc, it was him you noticed on the field. He willed France in wins vs much tougher opposition: Brasilian squads that were stacked, an equally impressive Italian team (in 2000) that was the model of how teams should defend. The Italians were devoted to man covering Zidane in the final of the Euro with 2 defenders at all times!!! That shows you the respect/fear they had for him. Even in 2004, when France was playing uninspired football, he alone managed to overturn a deficit vs England to win the match! This is why, for me, Zidane>>>>>>>>>>>>Messi and CR7 Edited September 18, 2015 by Giourkas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Greekaus Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) Its fun to sit and compare players from different eras but it's not realistic. Anybody watch highlights from past World Cup finals let's say from 1970 through 1990 and compare the speed of the game then with what we watch these days. It was slow motion then and less tactical so easier to identify great skillful attacking creators then than it is now. Maradona was a phenomenal player but to suggest he had success at Napoli only through his own brilliance isn't exactly the entire story. Back then there were only 3 foreigners per team rule and Diego had high quality teammates as well. Plus in the Siera during the 80s not only Napoli won a title but also , Juve, Milan, Inter, Roma, Lazio and even Verona so there was plenty of parity and shared successes to go around. Indeed he was magnificent when Argentina won the 86 WC. Probably the most dominant individual performance ever in a NT knockout competition. Club level however his achievements pale in comparison ( No European Cup win for Maradona and had little success prior at Barcelona ) to watch Messi has done. , not even close. Messi does it week week out for 8 years now. To me he could and should retire when he does as the greatest footballer of all time but nothing absolute here , just opinions. Both Ronaldos , Zidane , Van Baasten ( incredible striker , cruelly cut short by injury at 28 ) and even Rinaldinho are some of the very best the last 30 years. Even before Diego , anyone watch Michel Plattini ( current UEFA hot shot ) French midfielder who scored 9 goals in only 5 games in the EUUO 84 finals , won a European cup and a few Siera titles with Juventus later on and I think 3 ballon d' or Edited September 19, 2015 by Greekaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greekaus Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Messi and Christiano Ronaldo have revolutionized football. What they do every single week for their clubs is a treat for us fans to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paoboston Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Messi and C. Ronaldo are superhuman. It is insane what they are doing for both Barca and Real Madrid respectively. There stats are gaudy. I mean, FFS, CR7 averages OVER a goal a game at Madrid. INSANE. Easily the 2 best of this generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Sydney Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Mine is pretty obvious Pana lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Sydney Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I was being sarcastic to hahahahaha will interesting to know though with the boys above you mentioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Sydney Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 hahahaha sorry man hope this doesn't get me a fine from EPO :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Sydney Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 hahahahahahahaha wouldn't surprise me ti xeftiles they have become in EPO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accor6 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Gotzo you didn't tell us that Mitroglou did not score yesterday .... Ela reeeeee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiPao13 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 great officiating in todays olympiajokes match today... reaper, i said olympiajokes not olympiacos, u gonna send me another warning? just another sad day in greek soccer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethnikos Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 ChiPao13, Haven't seen the highlights yet, I'm out. What happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grkfreezer624 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Didn't see the highlights but was the penalty a real penalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original 21 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Yeah in my opinion it was a clear penalty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accor6 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Oh s%$#! the game was today? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Sydney Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 As if any Oly fan will say it was a penalty against them lets be serious now boys....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grkfreezer624 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Simera milise i kardia tou Fortouni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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