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Greece lost two clubs today. Romania also but they have none left. The Swiss also lost two.

This is what is left for the GS in CL and EL for the countries surrounding us:

Ukraine 3/5

Belgium 3/5

Netherlands 4/6

Switzerland 2/5

Turkey 3/5

Czech Republic 3/5

Greece 3/5

Romania 0/4

Austria 2/5 *

Croatia 1/4

Cyprus 1/4

* Austria probably loses another club as Altach is down on aggregate by HT against seeded Belenenses from Portugal

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Thanks PAO you are a disgrace for Greece you are useless worthless we needed your points now it seems always the same teams have to save Greece.

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Thanks PAO you are a disgrace for Greece you are useless worthless we needed your points now it seems always the same teams have to save Greece.

 

We [Olympiakos/Marinakis] needed your points.

 

Too bad so sad.  Poor Marinakis must be hyperventilating at the prospect of a play off game to get what used to be his guaranteed money.

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Sure, like the points they have gotten us last year when they get raped in the EL group stages? When they got 0 victories 2 draw and 4 losses????

We still in the CL so those points we need? HAHAHAHA ase mas re exeis complex me t marinaki kai esy. I was speaking in general for small teams like Asteras and PAOK. We will be in the CL for the enxt 5 years aswell.

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Sure, like the points they have gotten us last year when they get raped in the EL group stages? When they got 0 victories 2 draw and 4 losses????

We still in the CL so those points we need? HAHAHAHA ase mas re exeis complex me t marinaki kai esy. I was speaking in general for small teams like Asteras and PAOK. We will be in the CL for the enxt 5 years aswell.

 

Do you have rocks in your head ?  Are you expecting PAO with 1/6 the budget of Olympiakos to be dominating Europe ?

 

Open your eyes and have a look at the state of Greek football teams :-

1/ PAO - 2nd biggest club in Greece.  Finances are what, say 1/3 or 1/4 of what they used to be.  Unable to compete at the level they are used to.

2/ AEK - 3rd biggest club in Greece.  Relegated to Division 3 due to serious financial issues.

3/ PAOK - 4th biggest club in Greece.  Able to pay wages on time for 3 years running.  Thank god for Savvidis.

4/ Aris - 5th biggest club in Greece.  Where do you start ?

5/ Iraklis - ...

6/ OFI - .... you get the idea.

 

What exactly are you expecting from these "super powers" ?  PAOK would probably have been relegated to Division 3 as well if Savvidis hadn't come in when he did.  The team was bleeding financially and letting players go left and right because they couldn't even afford wages.

 

Having said that, PAO should have gotten to the Group Stages, but with the state of Greek football at the moment, nothing is a given.  The "trend" for Greece's co-efficient score is pointing down and probably will continue to do so for a while yet.

 

"We" needed your points indeed ....

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We (Greece) are expecting these 'European pride' teams like PAO to get more coefficient points than teams with half their budget, like Asteras. PAO's poor ownership and management is damaging the Greek co-efficient. If Marinakis and the other owners had not voted to keep PAO in the Super League, they would have been able to reform in the lower leagues the way AEK did. 

 

Also PAO have 1/3 (not 1/6 as you stated) the budget of Olympiacos but almost double AEK's budget. Let's see how they do. PAO are running out of people to blame seeing as Alafouzos and Anastasiuo are immune. Alafouzos hinted at the next blame target in his statements last night - ''fate.'' Only PAO fans would tolerate that line.  

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Forgive my cynicism, but when I read "we" I assumed he meant Olympiakos.  Regardless, until PAO and AEK get their house in order, Greece's co-efficient rating will stay where it is, or keep going down.  Even PAOK is an unknown quantity this year.  Lots of young players brought in.  How will they handle playing better quality opponents in the EL Group Stage ?

 

Hopefully AEK will be ready for Europe next season.  As for PAO, I'm not sure what the go is with them.  Everything seemed to be clicking into place for them towards the end of last season, but now ... what can you say.  It's easy to say they have poor ownership.  How do you fix it though ?

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AEK has not got his house its house in order? I think it has.

 

I think comparing AEK (Owner, manager, technical team) to PAO's is pretty unkind. I know in the summer Savvidis, Alafou and Tiger did the whole solidarity thing at expensive restaurants to remove Olympiacos from the CL, but now it has failed, we can look at the product each built for their own teams over the summer. I am afraid Alafouzo was the only one who went full-retard to borrow a line from a popular film. 

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AEK has not got his house its house in order? I think it has.

 

For GSL, most certainly.  For Europe, not so sure.  I expect them to strengthen their squad again at the end of this season.

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Sure they will once Europa/CL money is on the cards, but that is normal practice. For me they have their house in order. Spent less than PAO but look stronger. 

 

Alafouzos is the owner that doesn't prepare his for European games.

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8 Ukraine 37.883 3/ 5

9 Belgium 34.600 3/ 5

10 Netherlands 31.396 4/ 6

11 Turkey 29.800 3/ 5

12 Switzerland 29.775 2/ 5

13 Czech Republic 27.925 3/ 5

14 Greece 26.700 3/ 5

15 Romania 25.383 0/4

16 Croatia 23.375 1/ 4

17 Austria 23.100 1/ 5

18 Cyprus 21.675 1/ 4

Need to finish 12 or higher to have a direct participant in GS of CL (Champion) and GS of EL (cupwinner) in the 2017/2018 season.

Place 13/14/15 gives access for Champion and runner-up in Q3, and CW also needs to start from Q3.

For next season we still have the same spots in Europe as in this season.

Therefore the Greek clubs need to win as much as possible and Switzerland, Turkey and Chech Rep. need to lose as much as possible.

Don't think Croatia and lower countries are able to collect enough points to scare us. Romania is all out.

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Are there any online calculators or spreadsheets we can fiddle with?

 

 

Below shows a rundown of how many points have been gained. Greece at 19th, just under the mighty Cyprus. Switzerland has only snagged 1.3 points towards their rating (if I'm reading this right), we might just be able to leapfrog them. I guess we have to hope for Olympiakos to make it to the round of 13, and one of the EL teams to get out of their group.

 

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/ccoef2016.html

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There should be, Pash.

I think kassies works with a excelformat.

UEFA EL points system

First qualifying round elimination - 0.25 points

Second qualifying round elimination - 0.5 points

Third qualifying round elimination - 1 point

Play-off elimination 1.5 points

Group Stage win - 2 points

Group stage draw - 1 point

For the country coefficient it is divided by the participans. In this case easy: by 5.

So a draw is 0.2 points for Greece and the others that we must pass to become 12th. A win 0.4.

Croatia gets 0.25 for a draw and 0.5 for a win.

Holland gets 0.16 / 0.32

Thus we need 16 points more than the Swiss and Turks, and 6 points more than the Chechs.

And than there are bonusses for reaching the knock-out stage.

Have to look what those bonusses are.

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Just looked at the official UEFA-site:

Points system

1. Each team gets two points for a win and one point for a draw (points are halved for matches in the qualifying and play-off rounds).

2. Clubs that reach the round of 16, quarter-finals, semi-finals or final of the UEFA Champions League, or the quarter-finals, semi-finals or final of the UEFA Europa League, are awarded an extra point for each round.

3. In addition, four points are awarded for participation in the group stage of the UEFA Champions League and four points for qualifying for the round of 16.

http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/index.html

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Inching up bit by bit. 27.7 with today's draw for PAOK. Shame about Asteras.

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Still don't see us reaching the number 12 position that really counts for the next 3 or 4 seasons. We already missed that milestone for next season and it will be tougher down the road. I actually prefer that we don't get an automatic spot in the group stage of CL anyway.

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The Czechs and Turks are (obviously) still the two countries ahead of us. Both have three teams left in competitions, same as us. Upcoming games:

 

Turkey:

Galatasaray vs Benfica (CL) - 10/21

Lokomotiv Moscow vs Besiktas (EL) - 10/22

Fenerbahce vs Ajax (EL) - 10/22

 

Czech Republic:

Schalke vs Sparta Prague (EL) - 10/22

Liberec vs FC Groningen (EL) - 10/22

Rapid Wien vs Viktoria Plzen (EL) - 10/22

 

On the plus side, they should lose most of these.

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Still don't see us reaching the number 12 position that really counts for the next 3 or 4 seasons. We already missed that milestone for next season and it will be tougher down the road. I actually prefer that we don't get an automatic spot in the group stage of CL anyway.

 

Why wouldn't you want the automatic spot ?  It's guaranteed 4 bonus points.

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because it's a typical negative greek attitude...

 

anyway........

 

 

If Oly are GSL champions....they will be the highest seeded team in the 'champions route'....

 

along with probably Celtic, Dinamo, Austrian champs,  Czech champs....or APOEL

 

so.........

 

they will end up  in a play off v  a team like BATE, Astana, Israeli team, Partizan.....Malmo....or a lot worse.....I would fancy Oly more often than not from here to qualify...

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