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the biggest issue with Europa next year will be being unseeded in qualifying/play off rounds may bring you am opponent to big to overcome.... getting a Monaco or Spartak Moscow or Lille etc may be too huge an obstacle...

to compare Greece/Germany is like comparing Bulgaria/Italy Hungary/France Spain/Austria etc etc.......you now get how ridiculous these comparisons are?

please don't compare: Greek football to German football.......Germany had one poor tournament...they had a won a euro and a WC in the previous decade..as well as a WC runners up....2 years prior to 2004.. and don't compare European basketball to European football...the two are on different planets....from the $$$$$ required to compete...to the number of countries that play it at a high level..

I also think its very shallow to implicate the ills of greek football with the success of olympiakos over the last 10 years... we do not have football schooling or culture.. you mention Yugoslavia and Hungary and Romania...look how far ahead they were from us 40-70 years ago? it all starts somewhere... not from Vlaxodimos or Bouchalakis not being able to cement a spot in osfp...

we all want AEL back in GSL strong and healthy... however with Kouyias at the helm somehow, somewhere this will all end in tears.....and jeers...

all we need now is for Giroud and Ozil to go down in the weekend...

its December he has not scored yet? what's this about Hellas? Olympic? attractive?

I give that as much credibility as Kristian Nemeths recent interview when he said words to the affect the GSLis his preferred European League??? Do you really believe Bonevacia believes it? He plays in New Zealand??? not sure what this new term 'euro snob' really means...is it meant to be offensive created by the summer soccer beer drinkers?

he's Australian (when he's not Turkish)... a superior species...god like figure that can't be questioned...

the problem is that that ALeague fans are missing the bigger picture of world football....and suddenly think Aussie soccer is more successful than it really is.....and that the ALeague is some sort of great league.. However if they look at the football landscape over recent years they will realise that their achievements are not that great compared to what is happening around the globe...smaller minnow nations are also taking strides... Iceland and Albania in Euro 2016. Teams from Belarus, Kazakhstan, in UCL taking points of highly rated opponents.....Cypriot teams making UCL and APOEL were a QFinalist.. Albanian and Azeri clubs made Europa League group stages Albos beat S.Lisbon 3-0.. these results would not have been spoken about 10 years ago... and the ALeague junkies get excited about 34yo Spanish second division players playing here getting a superannuation payout.. it's their ignorance that;s annoying.. BACK ON TOPIC.... I HAVE NOT SEEN THESE GAMES ADVERTISED OR MENTIONED IN LOCAL MEDIA ALSO..LET'S GET ONE THING CLEAR..........................HELLAS V ROOS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NSL V A LEAGUE...ANY SUCH DEBATE BEING DRAGGED INTO THESE MATCHES IS BEYOND MORONIC

problem is that even a poor mitro is classes better than a good Giannou... Giannou is below standard...

you need to ask why Bozanic left Europe at 26? Mooy was a kid when he played in Britain...

Mooy definitely..... not sure about Bozanic.....he did not sent the world on fire in Swiss League

compared to last years 4-0 loss at athletico madrid. this was a far better performance... we actually created some play and may have scored 1-2 on a better day.....the madrid game was dreadful...

what a ridiculous post.... 1) these fans do not care about football. 2) these criminals are not PAO fans...they are the same malakes that burn Athens ...just that they wear green scarfs at football stadiums.. 3) the basketball is a joke too....... they continuously play pao v osfp basketball derbies behind closed doors for the same moronic reasons.. they have played basketball cup finals in suburban halls in the presence of 100 school children to avoid the same riots... 4) the reason why our top basketball clubs do better in Europe than they do in football is very simple.. A) not too many countries care nor take basketball seriously..its a minor sport in England, Holland, Germany..etc B) its a matter of $$$ to be successful in European basketball you need to spend xxx$$$$$...PAO, OLY spend xx$$$$$ to be successful in European football you need to spend....xxxxyyyzzzz$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ greek clubs spend xxx$$$$

very backward greek way of trying to justify the inexcusable... these acts of criminal terror have no place in Greece or anywhere else... what is this supposed greek mentality? some mysterious form of human life that no one seems to want understand...and a bunch of radicals claim to support..

the point you are forgetting is that normal greeks don't protest in this manner... the violent minority have been able to gain some sort of 'credibility' by the masses by behaving in this manner in all manner of greek society.....these 'protests' 'riots' are an extension of the civil problems with greek society....and law and order.. if anyone thinks that these criminals care about Football or Olympiakos are seriously mistaken.... civil disobedience is a greek acceptable behaviour....and people here who claim to be above all this are condoning criminal behaviour under the guise of 'club colours' and 'fighting justice for the greater good'.....yet you would not tolerate this form of protest in other parts of the world for 'similar causes'... i have said many times in the old forum site...you could transplant the EPL in Greece ...players/stadiums/money and relegate OSFP to 4th division and a 10 year ban of promotion...yet within 3-5 years the league/supporters/clubs/politicians will take it back to what it is today..

so you are justifying criminal rioting?

he has come off some pretty poor seasons in poor teams...

lykogiannis scored for Strum Graz

are the criminals who caused the riots going to lead the 'protest' as some type of Greek Che Guevara?

how can we have progress when people try and defend what happened at leoforo? people blaming police and the authorities... we have PAOK fans talking about flares thrown at karaiskaki last year..but have no issues when olympiakos openly admit they were happy to lose at toumba due to the famous 'fish day debacle'.... TV reports and fans are justifying violence...this has nothing to do with marinakis.....etc..this was going on 30 years ago.... Reaper's post above sums it up.....no more needs to be said... has anyone mentioned arresting and jailing the individuals who committed criminal offenses? remember the current PM was a professional radical demonstrator at G8 summits..he wants to release terrorists from prison.. then people blame EPO? MARINAKIS? Kokkalis? this crap goes on in 3rd and 4th division games....totally lawless, uncivilized society

this could get very ugly

Tziolis is the MAN...

no...in Greek spirit.. blame MAT....... It's ok.....to create a riot but not ok for it to be policed...