Alphonse Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 The Olympiakos decision won’t be made till Tuesday now after their lawyer made a few points... and basically general points... WTF.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 As opposed to the original hearing this judge at least let all parties to present their case and he actually listened to them. He even let the video showing the paper not hitting Garcia in the head as evidence, which was not the case in the first trial. Let's see if this judge see things differently. PAOK lawyers stuck to their original points. PAOK asked that a decision be made as soon as possible, but the judge could not promise that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphonse Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Read a report, sounded like a much more thorough hearing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaous Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 9 hours ago, Alphonse said: Pedia what happened in the courts? As Blackhawk already stated, basically that what should have happend in the first trial. This time the judge does not seem to be so particulary keen to punish us compared to Miss Skouliki last week. What I do not like about the judge were his comments about the scooter and how he showed empathy with Aretopoulos saying that Aretopoulos is just a human and that he was really afraid on that evening. Well, if he does not make his job right because he is afraid, and you even acknowledge that yourself, then why should we get punished for his failures? Interesting side note: The judge was actually in Toumpa on that evening. Maybe this is good for us since he should have seen the mismanagement of Aretopoulos at first hand, but we shall see. I also like the fact that he acknowledges the loopholes in the laws. Ο πρόεδρος της επιτροπής εφέσεων της ΕΠΟ, Δημήτρης Σκουτέρης, αναρωτήθηκε για τα πολλά κενά που έχει ο Πειθαρχικός κώδικας του ποδοσφαίρου http://www.sdna.gr/podosfairo/superleague/article/442490/skoyteris-einai-asteios-o-peitharxikos-kodikas O πρόεδρος της επιτροπής Εφέσεων, πήρε τον λόγο και απευθυνόμενος προς όλους όσοι ήταν παρόντες στην αίθουσα είπε: «Επιθυμία μας είναι να αποδοθεί το δίκαιο. Οι κανονισμοί δεν είναι καλοί και πρέπει να βελτιωθούν και να απλουστευτούν. Είναι αστείος ο πειθαρχικός κώδικας. Τα έχω πει και στον Γκιρτζίκη και στον Δρόσο. Στον Γραμμένο δεν τα έχω πει ακόμα, αλλά δεν με ενδιέφερε κιόλας γιατί βλέπω ότι δεν έχει νόημα», κατέληξε. Regarding those comments and the things I have read from the court liveticker I am much more confident this time that we will get our three points back and that the match will be replayed, since there are too many loopholes in the laws and we cannot be punished on a legitimate basis for what has happend. Well, we will soon find out what will happen. But what I am sure of is that Olympiakos is going to appeal any decision that does not include the 3 point deduction. They won't just give up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiankos Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Μεγάλο ντέρμπι τελικά αυτό το ΠΑΟΚ - Ολυμπιακός. Ίσως το καλύτερο της δεκαετίας! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 Both teams appealed to the 2nd level of appeals concerning this game. Olympiakos wants to also include a point deductions for PAOK to the already 3:0 win on paper. PAOK in return asks that the appeal court overturns the 3:0 loss and either rules it in PAOK's favor or at the minimum have the game replayed. I believe the appeal will take this Friday. Incidently the Olympiakos's appeal ruling concerning the Olympiakos - AEK game is still pending after the many postponements. Olympiakos hopes to have the -3 points erased in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphonse Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 27 minutes ago, Blackhawk said: Incidently the Olympiakos's appeal ruling concerning the Olympiakos - AEK game is still pending after the many postponements. Olympiakos hopes to have the -3 points erased in this case. I have lost track of this after it was pushed under the carpet last week with all that happened, any idea when this will be decided? It was mean to be last week on Tuesday, I am assuming sometime this week surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 Then it was last Friday, and now it might be this Friday. It all depends on what happens with the decision in the PAOk - AEK game in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soprano76 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 If Oly are able to somehow weasle their way to first place after all of these point deductions, I'll probably just laugh my *** off. I just want to see someone new (preferably PAOK) win it this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 That was their plan all along. If they can't win it on the field, win in the courts. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiankos Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Ας το δώσουμε στον Ατρόμητο ή τον Πανιώνιο να έχει και λίγο χαβαλέ. Πάντως αν το πάρει ο Ολυμπιακός θα έχει πολύ γέλιο! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyPAOK Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Lol @Soprano76 and @Blackhawk so Olympiakos will do whatever they can for the following outcome: 1) AEK is punished 3pts for not coming out to finish the match and 2) PAOK is docked 6 pts which includes the 3pts for winning the match due to point 1) and then 3 pts for Savvidis and co storming the pitch. Would not be shocked if that happens and only in Greece that the olympiakos appeal for the crowd incident with aek is being postponed till after the PAOK-AEK outcome! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 If AEK is punished for not coming out to play, the punishment is -10 points according to KAP rules. It's no longer -3 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphonse Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) It's simple, these excuses will not stand. Fantasy world stories. OSFP got their "lawyers" together and looked at how they can win what they need to on paper, so yes, naturally they have a "case" for PAOK & AEK to lose so many points and they be paper champions again Edited March 20, 2018 by Alphonse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, jvc said: You would need to prove....there was no immediate threat, and it was 100 percent safe to continue. Which it was and that's why the ref asked the teams to come out and play, but only PAOK came out. In any normal country it would be a clear cut case. PAOK wins game on paper. Savvidis and Michel get a big punishment including a big ban from soccer. That's in a normal country, but in Greece everything is being tried in the corrupted and paid off media, so the end result will be heavy punishment for PAOK on all levels. Once again it will be a selective enforcement of the rules, and things will go on as usual until the next incident. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 Did you actually see the game or are you basing your opinions on what you are reading in the Greek media? There was police present. If anyone was threatened they would have restrained him. The fact that he had a concealed weapon was not known until he was leaving the field when he took his jacket off. The only reason the gun issue is used is because a photographer was able to snap a picture which was then immediately circulated to all the paid off media. The only reason AEK was "threatened" was because the ref informed them that the score was 1:0. If it was 0:0 they would have come out on the field without any problem. Now let's get back on topic. Olympiakos hopes for both PAOK and AEK to get punished, so they can get their dirty hands on another "paper" title. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiankos Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Alphonse said: It's simple, these excuses will not stand. Fantasy world stories. OSFP got their "lawyers" together and looked at how they can win what they need to on paper, so yes, naturally they have a "case" for PAOK & AEK to lose so many points and they be paper champions again Actually all parties are trying to become paper champions this time. In my eyes PAOK way less than the other two. But maybe it's because I am a PAOK fan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 Final decision about this game will apparently be announced next Wednesday. During today's appeal PAOK asked that the game be played as scheduled. Olympiakos on the other hand asked that PAOK receive an addition 3 point deduction from the standings. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antaeus7 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Olympiakos should just play the match and quit crying. If they want 3 points, they have to earn it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antaeus7 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 The same goes with AEK, they too need to play and try to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 The final decision has been announced by EPO concerning this game. The third level o appeals has turned down PAOK's wish to have the game played, and it has also turned down Olympiakos's wish to have points deduct from PAOK. Basically the second level of appeals decision stands. Olympiakos wins the game on paper, and PAOK pays a fine for the roll of paper being thrown on the field. Standings following this decisions are 1. AEK 54 2. Olympiakos 53 3. PAOK 52 Olympiakos still faces 3 points deduction for the Olympiakos - AEK game. PAOK and AEK still face point deductions for the game that never finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphonse Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Olympiakos lost the 3 points vs AEK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 It's not final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted March 29, 2018 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 Now that the fate of this game has been decided let's have a closure ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antaeus7 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Wow, this is a disgrace. I hate to see a Greek champion win by court decisions. smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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