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OK. Thanks..Not exactly a big secret?

who is it?

Will Lucas get his Greek passport?

No Samaris, Taxi,Tzavellas for Bosnia. I see Lykogiannis being called up in the 23 Skibbe will most likely replace Samaris, Taxi in the 11 with Zeca, Maniatis.

They are still better than some of the guys running around.. Surely siovas is better than De Costa.

our loan players are better than what we have.. Kasami, Siovas, Pardo, Giannotas, Vergos, Kolovos, Laifis ,, ....that says a lot about the way the club is run??

35-40 is the magic number .. Only in Greece would Votanikos not be seen as ideal..

his lack of height kills him..

There was no $$$ conspiracy... Leali has done this a few times this season... v Astana v APOEL... Besiktas were a better side...we are garbage.. however..it would have been fascinating if we went to the Poli at 1-0.... And been 2-1 down with 15 to go!! and Kapino in goal...

I agree...This is Greece...Building a football stadium does not get you votes!!

no doubt Croatia have a fantastic youth development program.. Yugoslavia were playing in WC finals in the 1930s when we were losing WC qualifiers 11-1 ..So they have 50 years head start in football schooling.. However if you are to bring this back to the topic in hand which is Oly record in europe this year..and our record in Europe overall.. we do much better than dinamo Zagreb or any Croatian club.. Look at Dinamo's record in UCL group stages in the last 5-6 years.. In fact no Croatian club has played football in Europe post Christmas since 1969.. So we need to keep what THIS TOPIC is in perspective.. I recall raising the comparison with Croatian club football on a previous site..And we do not want OLY to become dinamo Zagreb.. in UCL /EL

Leali was only meant to be a back up ....He was tragic in many games...gave away comical goals... Once Roberto left we were never going to have 2 Quality keepers... Kapino would be no.1 There are no good young Greek keepers that could be signed as back ups... Vlaxodimos at PAO proves that...He is totally garbage....worse than Leali. The point is we SHOULD have been more diligent and found better than Leali.. In regards to having a Greek coach and giving him 2-3 years to build with young Greek players...This sounds lovely in theory.. But the reality is 'young Greek players' would not win us the GSL...Nor would they get us to group stages of UCL or maybe EL. We have seen the likes of Kolovos, Bouchalakis, Avlonitis, Giannotas, Diamantakos, Fetfa, etc...come and go...with no impact.. Some would say they were never given a chance... I say they were...and failed.... And where are they ALL playing now? Second division, Scotland? Cyprus? bench? and remember these players ARE NOT 19-21..They are older..they are no longer kids..

tsipras and foreign investment DO NOT MIX!!!

I think marinakis knows a lot about money.. But knows less about football than we do,,, To do well in UCL at group stage and have a good run in EL...You need a good team... i really am doubting whether he wants to spend $$$$ to build such a team... I think he is happy in the belief that we can somehow squeak through to UCL groups thru Champions route...then finish third...then maybe one win ...and that;s it... all without spending or having a good team... We will never see the likes of Galletti, Mirallas, Mellberg, Kovacevic etc ever again.. The olympiakos we dream of would have in todays line up... Roberto, Masuaku, Marcano, Mirallas, Milivojevic ...these players could have been on our roister in 2017....But....... We don't need mega stars....

the issue is does Marinakis have any appetite for Europe? and what is 'European success' in his eyes?

Galitsos and Lykogiannis are both playing for clubs that are below osfp level..and certainly way below European level we are aspiring to... Tsimikas is young...but the Danish League is not at any high level..

Kapino is injured... This was the best possible team we could put on the park..given how poor the squad is.. Way too much hype about Retsos, Androutsos, Manthatis....they are very young and very promising....but none are going to carry us through a European tie at this level at this point of their careers... I have seen it all before with 'young Greek talent'....Where are Tsimikas, Lykogiannis, Diamantakos, Ioannidis, Vergos, Soelidis, Galitsos, Avlonitis, Fetfa etc???

we have a very poor team... a team that has been stripped year in year out... we are now down to the bare bones and it looks ugly..

we were very comfortable before Leali's brain fade... They did not look like scoring prior to that... despite possession.. it all fell apart thereafter..

we will go a 4-5-1 I reckon ....................Karnezis............... Toro..........Sokratis.........Manolas......Tzavellas ..............................Siovas................................ Giannotas..........Samaris...........Staf/Mandalos .....................................Fortounis...................... ...................................Mitro...................................

Samaras Snr played..a few guest matches 30 years ago...George samaras has not played... Many Greek players played in Australia in decades gone by... Including Papaoiannou in his later years..I saw him play as an old man..for lower league team Western Suburbs. Katsouranis played for Heidelberg who are a 'second tier team' ..again this was a one off game... token effort.. avraam is the only Greek to play here for an A League Club in the 'new era'

4-0

the theory that things will be better in 20 years if we went to the drachma is impossible to sell.. 20 years might become 30 or 40? and what will 'better' look like in 2057? Better than 2017 or better than 2004?

it clearly is..the worst team.... there are however many talented footballers in this squad..players that can walk into a lot of decent leagues and teams in Europe... in the mid 90s we did not have footballers that were as good as some of these in the overall squad ..but the issue is this squad is not a TEAM.. And has no leaders or game changers..

mentioning Manthiatis Maniatis Kolovos Mystakidis in the same paragraph as their players indicates that any result here is impossible.. Anything better than 3-0 loss will be a miracle..