RED SHERIFF

If any of you guys saw the 'pre game' show on antenna you will now realise that ALL THIS Bull s%$#! is not the creation of Marinakis or Kokkalis or Tzigger or Meli etc... I am old enough to remember all this rubbish... these idiots have been doing this for the better part of 40 years....Fatboy was in kindergarten.... the exchange between the presidents in the January 1991 match between aek - osfp...was a priceless piece of history and education to all here...even the way the Senior police Officer conducted himself was beyond comical.... there are a lot romantic memories about greek football and greek society from the 1980s and 1990s.....but I can tell you ALL of greece's modern tangible problems come from that era

I am not aware of his coaching abilities... however I assume he is as intelligent as any of us here..and 100 times more football savvy... therefore I am very sure now that he has been at the club for 9 months ...and has seen a season of GSL/Europa ..and seen his squads deficiencies he will be very sure in what he needs... he also knows the pressure is on Ivan....and that Ivan has deep pockets... can he convince Arnesen and Ivan that if was to add the required players...that will cost $$$$xxxxx he may just give the title areal shake....?

we covered the building of karaiskaki earlier... there are other clubs run with good financial stability... Xanthi, Asteras, Atromitos as is PAOK for the first time in 30 years.....this indicates that unless someone is prepared to step up and put money in the club...it will not work...because greeks do not want to or have the know how...to run professional sporting clubs.. but clubs go broke the world over.....Liverpool were in deep s%$#! a few years ago....as were several Italian clubs.. you know very well there's a huge list of clubs that have gone broke or were broke in the last 20 years... also very cute to raise the plight of Greek NT and Turkish NT.... If you blame the 'corruption' of their federations for recent poor form....then things must have been super clean 20 months ago when we made WC R.16...Or 4 years ago when we made QF of Euro....How corrupt or clean were Turkey when they finished 3rd in the world?? How clean was Serie A when Italy won the WC? How clean is the owner of Dinamo Zagreb? or all the Ukrainian owners who built those strong clubs? The syriza referendum was not what it was meant to be......it was another cute way to achieve nothing.. Like I said...I can't blame SYRIZA for the mess they have only been in power for 54 weeks...It would be absurd to blame them... but SYRIZA is merely a creation of Greek society over 45 years...they represent the failed Greek system and ideology....they are not the answer.....they are a result and part of the system... You may wait for the revolution.....it may arrive....but one day soon after a similar system to what we have today will still exist... Greeks need to play within the system.. There is no doubt that greeks play the victim and the conspiracy card way too often... I do not know how much of this can be attributed to the ottoman subject mentality... as other Europeans seem to fall in the same trap......I had an Italian waitress a few months ago...who was very passionate about her anti- capitalist anti USA rant....It was all America's fault for her country going down the s%$#!... she sounded like a Tsipra speech writer... Perhaps you want to meet her??? shew was a bit too skinny for my liking....around your age group I would say.... Very nice restaurant though.......Her wages were being paid by a capitalist tax cheat...

ok....then....Greece is fine..... it's all a bad dream....keep employing people in the PS for non existent positions and pensions for all at 48.... they had it right....

growing up I always questioned 'facts' from the ottoman occupation.... 'kryfo sxolio' for one....images of priests and teachers teaching greek secretly for 400 years...I often wondered it is far fetched to think the Turks couldn't detect these secret schools.. not many question these things..nor bother to ask how the Ottomans ran the empire... I have similar thoughts when I hear the ANZACS fought for my freedom..I still ask how a bunch if New Zealand and Aussie soldiers being slaughtered on a Turkish beach gave ME my freedom?? No one seems to be able to give me an answer? most religious greek people I have spoken to...take the bible events as being Factual....unlike the Filipino friends..

Overweight and head injury???

@manolara OFF TOPIC being openly anti GSL and Anti OSFP...you will have 'cute' analogies on this.... I recall respected Aris fans on the other site being caught up in greek conspiracy theories... when I pushed them though, they admitted 95% of their debt/problems/issues were self inflicted and from within... AEK/PAOK/ARIS were well and truly broke 10 years before marinakis took over.... those clubs had massive internal issues . I don;t need to mention Batatoudis, psomiadis,NEDMED, etc ...these events took place years before fat boy....even before uncle Kokkalis took control.. essentially the comparison between football and greek economy/society in this context is that one never takes responsibility or accountability for their own stuff ups or lack of expertise...in greece it's much easier to blame the bogey man... I think you have missed the point in Reaper's statement about Greeks not being able to shake off the ottoman curse... Russia and Turkey are not great examples of democracy ......they have moved on in way that best suited them...they are being run by corrupt billionaire nasty dictators.... there may not have been a better way to control their people ? I don't know.. Greece is governed in a very different way.....thankfully??? what greeks have not been able to shed is the 'loser' 'it's the bogey mans fault' mentality... perhaps the average Russia or Turk thinks the same way...I don't know.. greece needs strong progressive leadership...not 'rizospastes' and failed university drop outs running the country.... Thatcher instead of Tsipras... There will be no revolution where the people throw oligarchs in the Aegean and mass celebrations with flags of Che Guevara raised on the Acropolis... SYRIZA and Tsipra did not sell out Greece or willingly break election promises....they merely realised once in power how poor our situation was and there was no alternative.... yet the issues now are: 1) they don't have the will or know how to make the right radical changes 2) ideologically they don't want to make the changes

again I raise the question.... why does religion have an exemption from this issue... religions often sell myths as historical facts... one can also argue religion has caused more wars that patriotism.. using 'oh well one is a believer or not a believer' is a weak argument.

much better than Pulido

one would wonder if the deal does not include those countries ...it must include USA/Canada/USA? Otherwise there would be no commercial interest?

I had a close look at Giannou today...he looked awful...

@manolara using Demi and greek soccer as analogy is interesting.... and somewhat flawed...sure greek soccer and greek society have major issues...but as an anti osfp fan you use the analogy in a very 'cute' way... one can argue that AEK and PAOK are much healthier financially despite the $$$ crisis.....much healthier financially than EVER... The 'demise' in greek soccer in the last 10 years has come because Tzigger pulled out of PAO.. You see PAO and OSFP are Greece's only real FOOTBALL CLUBS...PAOK/AEK sadly represent things ideologically other than football...so even if they now have money $$$ ...they have proven they are not football clubs.... ( a Demi with passion and vision was gunned down from within - proves a lot).. however one can argue that demi's plan to build a new stadium was a problem because it was 'in the wrong spot'.... a very greek way of arguing ...a very P.A.M.E - SYRIZA way of stopping progress.. Tell me...what would have happened had ODDY been built? would AEK be better off...?? and if NO? why? Having an 'agitator' as PM is beyond ridiculous.. as he has NO real plans... You completely ignore that our fundamental problems stem from within and elements of the mentality that Reaper describes..WE CREATED THIS MESS... If this was a Portuguese, Italian , Belgian, French soccer site.....no one would care if their nation became allies with Israel it may cause 'arab backlash'... but on a greek site this seems to be an issue or concern... reason is we are always looking at the 'progressive' world with envy..because we know we should be there..BUT refuse to want to change from within...it's all too difficult...

You are right.... all this is not the fault of syriza......but I have said for many years....SYRIZA, ND, PASOK etc are merely acronyms..they mean nothing... You can use the 'wars' as the excuse...but the rest of Europe chose not to go down the same path as we did....Europe as a whole has been ravaged by wars... we 'the greeks' have collectively forced the hand of politicians to become the SYRIZA, ND, PASOK we know today... we have demanded a government to establish a society that benefits our closed minded ideology.....and 'syriza' is the end product.....No other functional European nation would EVER elect a 'professional agitator' like Tsipra to power... Who do we collectively blame for Voula facing all the red tape? what role do the likes of P.A.M.E play in this? All the ones protecting 'closed professions' do they really know what other opportunities can be created if they 'opened their minds'? it seems nobody wants to change the problems with the system. the biggest issue for me is that all these 'rizospastes' or 'revolutionaries' are far more dangerous than the alternative. I am not saying Australia is perfect...there are huge problems here, however it functions in a way that other societies fail. negative gearing for the super wealthy is a problem..but as a concept for most people it has some merit..(not that i am benefiting at the moment)..

is religion not based on myths? why is patriotism being portrayed as 'bad'? due to choosing to hang on to myths or create myths?

I think we were a bit quick to get rid of him.....

Galitsos should have been called up....he should have been no.2 to Toro Marinos is garbage and playing for a garbage team....no way NT player outside the top 4-6 teams the level of Belgian and Dutch league falls away....it's not as if we call up players outside the top 4-5 from GSL.. a good example are Katsikas and Papazoglou.....they were signed by Belgian and Dutch clubs..neither 'improved' from mediocre to poor GSL players to gain their transfer...nor did they get better playing in those leagues.....if players like this or Marinos can play in those leagues, we need to not get over excited about them.. If players are doing well they need to be noticed...but playing in a particular league should not mean much....We have Oikonomou in Serie A....he needs to be looked at..Petsos plays in a league with a lower ranking than GSL....But deserves a call up... Let's not place too much emphasis on UEFA rankings....it's a very unscientific way to select NT players... I think Kapino is much better than Lambrou..

you live in a functional society with a strong economy... ask yourself why, that is so? greece has not been functioning properly for decades..... syriza have been in power for 53 weeks.... however a whole nation has had Syriza ideology programmed in them for 50 years....Voula is the poster child for an entire nations psyche on how the lao should think/breath/sleep/react on all socio/political./economic issues... Voula represents the collective train wreck.... Not sure why/how Russia and Putin's privatization 'buddy deals' has anything to do with Greece... and in fact the construction of Karaiskaki being completed in record time (due to Athens 2004 pressure - and for no other reason) proves that things can get done when the heat is on ...and when the heat is turned higher by outsiders and by international organisations... The initial failure of the Athens 2004 project to keep to time-frames showed the Voula/greek/Syriza deep lying ideology. The end project showed what happens when someone puts a rocket up our backsides, and demands results..

or no greek club wants him.......

you need 70 million for that not 7...

too bad that he is a CD.....Sokratis and Manolas have those spots...He can be 3/4th option with K.Pap

best game we have played all season....

there is no doubt the old 'knock out' format made it easier to make QF, SF.... Even Panionios made Cup Winners QF in 1999..all they had to do is beat the Iceland and Cyprus Cup winners..

they essentially come here at the end of career 35+ who was the last quality player to come here under the age of 35? and came here not for the 'novelty factor'?? or to wind down... a player like Janko or Yorke came here a bit younger off the back of poor seasons in Europe...but where fortunate enough to find touch in their first year then returned immediately, as they realised they had more to offer. the rest end up like Koren, Holosko Contreras etc.... occasionally a player like Novillo will come here much younger because he may have been at crossroads in his career(injuries. bad luck etc).....and could easily play at higher level..

that's not entirely true...

I agree with your post in general.... however, I would not put the 'lure' of China/Middle East in the same category as ALeague.... China/Middle East pay extraordinary amounts of money to entice players...... ALeague pays very moderate..even for 'marquee' players.. For example Oly/paok/aek would pay Mitro a lot more than he would get as 'marquee' in ALeague..yet probably 25% of what he could demand in China/Middle East..