Rockafeller Skank Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 8 hours ago, HellasLEAF said: K. Paps was solid on the right for what it's worth. I don't see much wrong with that move in that moment I take him on the pitch any day when needing to defend vs Holebas and an attacking player is not what was needed at the time. People may not like Holebas omission from the start but after our early lead and injuries I very much agree he was not the right player to come in. It wasnt, he was forgotten up front at least twice in the dying minutes when he should just stick back and wait for the ref to blow in the end. Even at that perfect cross from the Estonian Right Back that found noone, he was missing. Had there been someone in the cross end to put it in , he would be charged with the goal. I believe Stafylidis should go Right Back and Cholebas to get subbed as Left Back when the whole Toro thing happened. This way only one of our defenders will be a B material, not 3. Stafylidis-Manolas-Kyriakos-Holebas. instead of Kyriakos-Manolas-Oikonomou-Stafylidis. By that I mean Kyriakos RB totally looked T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I've got three glamours outside my front window, s%$#!, what do I do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED SHERIFF Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 hopefully..toro,sokratis, Samaris and Fortounis will be fit for Bosnia match.. 3 points or WC is over.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED SHERIFF Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 This is the big one!! Belgium will not drop a point in this group.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOLOSSOS13 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 It will be very interesting to see if Skibbe holds on to a four man defence against the stronger teams of Bosnia and Belgium, or if he changes to a 5-4-1. Greece has at the moment four splendid centerbacks that would all be starters in any other team of the group. Obviously Tzavellas can play as a left back while Kyriakos can play DM, but both are best at CB. Having a fit Kyriakos on the bench is a luxury. I think this is the safest way to secure 3 points against Bosnia: Karnezis Manolas Kyriakos Sokratis Torosidis Tzavellas Maniatis Samaris Mantalos Fortounis Mitroglou Otherwise i wouldn't mind seeing this lineup either: Karnezis Kyriakos Sokratis Torosidis Tzavellas Maniatis Samaris Mantalos Fortounis Gianniotas Mitroglou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikod Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) @kolossos13, four "splendid" center-backs? I count three: Sokratis, Manolas and K. Pap. God knows you can't mean Oikonomou or Tzavellas. Edited October 12, 2016 by Nikod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOLOSSOS13 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 ^Either you can't count or God knows wrong then haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikod Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I'd like to see Tzavellas try to knock Alderweireld or Vertonghen from Belgium's staring defense. He'd get laughed off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOLOSSOS13 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Nah he's better than both of them, Vertonghen is rarely even preferred at CB for the red devils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikod Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Bro, what are you smoking and where can I get some?? Both of those guys start for a top club in the premier league!! And you're saying tzavellas is better?? Now I've heard it all. Even for a PAOK fan that's insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOLOSSOS13 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 And so what??? I'm comparing players, not clubs nor leagues. As if Tottenham has such an amazing defence in the first place. Btw I'm not a PAOK fan, but I would love to see Tzavellas pair up with Moledo in Panathinaikos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikod Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 dude, I'm sorry. This is nuts. Can someone back me up here? Tzavellas could NEVER hack it as a center-back in the EPL. To be honest, I thought you were joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 There wouldn't be anyone disagree given that Tottenham/Liverpool had Tzavella and Moras as CB, Vyntra with Cholevas fullbacks and a midfield in a triangle, of Maniati, Tzioli and Katsouranis even today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 The players that I would have in my team and start every time are Sokratis, Samaris, Kyriakos and Fortounis. Mitroglou and Manolas too but they both can be lost and be liabilities but they would definitely be in the 11. So far Mantalos is doing really well but is the RW position limiting his full potential? Also the left flank is a problem. Stafylidis and Bakasetas should be given more chances. My big problem is as much as I appreciate Maniatis work off the ball I can't stand it when he has the ball at his feet. There is no ambition it's just pass and stop and he hasn't got the vision either. I think we should find a replacement for him. We need a player who has his work rate, speed, defensive work and will to run all day. But also need a player who has the vision and creativity of a Fortounis and Tachtsidis. If I was coach this would be my objective. Someone like Karagounis would be a good example. Siopis and Kourbelis I don't know much about them. Maybe we put Stafylidis as a replacement. Even though I like to see Samaris and Tachtsidis start together I thinks it better for the team that one of them start and another one next to either Samaris and Tachtsidis to do the dog work but aswell have the technical ability and creativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Does anyone have suggestions? Petsos could be the answer or maybe Mantalos. I'd still have Maniatis and Tzavellas as squad players and that's it. Even Tziolis but he would be my very last option. I thinks it good to have these 3 players in the team because it gives the younger players more of a drive to improve and progress and by having the 3 older players in team it gives the team some experience and balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) The experienced guys to look up to for youngsters now must be Toro, Sok, Samari, Oresti, club Mykonos, even Manolas. That type of person is Not Tziolara. A new Wiki leaks article came out that Tzioli used to do the dog work as a midfielder, then Kats got in his ear and told him to work smarter, not harder. And there you have it, the finished product today. We need experienced role models, mine on here are the likes of La Mendel, Skanka, Aktriti, Ellas,Nick-d-Greek and G Lazo the DJ! Edited October 13, 2016 by ausgreek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgelaz Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 come to think of it, tzioli did seem to be a hustler in the pao days but my memory is foggy on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argy Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) I know there have been a few mixed reviews upon K Pap`s performance vs Estonia, but keep in mind that there were a lot of absentees, especially after the injuries and he was playing out of position. The NT is just on another level when he is on the field. He is fierce, confident and hungry, and that rubs off. I am so happy to see him healtly and playing. Skibbe knows him well and will be relying on him a lot. If fit, he will be one of the most important players of the generation for the NT. Edited October 14, 2016 by Argy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED SHERIFF Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I don't know who died and Tzavellas became a CD.... Even at PAOK he should not play CD.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikotheGreek Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 I wish Bakesetas could play Striker for our qualifying campaign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Does know how Charisis is doing? What about Pelkas? he was vital in our only Euro Qualifying win against Hungary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgelaz Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 15 hours ago, NikotheGreek said: I wish Bakesetas could play Striker for our qualifying campaign he's super fun to watch when he's on his game. i think he'll find his groove eventually. if he can like things up for aek he can do it with the nt as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J1078 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 ^I don't know guys im not really liking bakesetas, he's done nothing in regards to the NT, I think I'd rather see someone else there. His first touch and passing skills doesn't look the good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgelaz Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 watch him play for aek so u can get a better example of him at his best. he only played like 2 games for the NT I think he can become very important for us this campaign. I like him so maybe i'm just making excuses for him, but a lot of players don't have his attacking iq on the NT so they misread his passes and don't get into proper positioning eg) Maniatis lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J1078 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 1 hour ago, georgelaz said: watch him play for aek so u can get a better example of him at his best. he only played like 2 games for the NT I think he can become very important for us this campaign. I like him so maybe i'm just making excuses for him, but a lot of players don't have his attacking iq on the NT so they misread his passes and don't get into proper positioning eg) Maniatis lol You're probably right, in all fairness I haven't seen a lot of him at all, and maybe it's the guys around him but so far my honest opinion of what I have seen of him is he hasn't looked good, but either of a lot of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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