Dean97 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Amorgos said: Two different players re, what don't you get about that? Mantalos is a very effective CAM with great finishing, don't get me wrong, nothing against Fetfa, get him on the wing, just don't get why you keep comparing the two I just find their playing style similar. I also like to have Fetfatzidis back in the team, I just don't know if he is the same player or if he is regressed, because this team could do with a higher tempo. Edited October 8, 2016 by Dean97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikitas Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) i would go with this agianst estonia. -----------------------------karnezis--------------------------- torosidis-----------manolas-----sokratis----------holebas -----------------------maniatis----papadopoulos------------ --gianniotas--------------fortounis--------------mantalos-- ------------------------------mitroglou-------------------------- just let the attacking midfielders swap position with eachother when they like or think its needed so they dont stick to one place. and if one of the fullbacks attack let kyriakos cover for them. tzavellas is injured so he wont be playing. we gave cyrpus way to much space sometimes around the box and stafylidis was and looked lost so we need kyriakos there. why not tachtsidis starting? we looked very slow against cyprus and tachtsidis will only add to that. Edited October 8, 2016 by Nikitas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Has Mantalos ever had interest abroad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgelaz Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 not that I've heard of. Ranieri had an eye for talent picking him out from Aek in the 2nd division. Fetfa should be included. if clubless Tziolis and Maniatis can make the squad, might as well choose fetfa who's lighting up saudi arabia who by the way tied australia 2-2. SA isn't too shabby. one of the better asian sides, NT and club wise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Pana Tachtsidis was man of the match against Hungary, he tore them a new belly button and never saw him again. He wasn't done anything wrong. I would also prefer Kolokotroni at CDM ahead of Tziolara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akritis_1944 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 5 hours ago, Dean97 said: Has Mantalos ever had interest abroad? Yes he has. Just 2 months ago Trabzonspor were apparently offering 6-7 million Euros for him. AEK declined apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Taxi has an effective passing game,which is suited to CDM, why not have him permanently there? Last time he played, he was our best player against Hungary. The coach finds it difficult to understand this. Even when Samari comes back, he can be the no.8, box to box style, of which he is primarily, and where he played when he scored a great goal in the World cup. Maniati should be superseded by a fresh new face or two. Skibbe has to learn to identify talent. This coach has a system whereby he would previously pick squad players late in their careers like Vyntra, Moras and Siovas, but basically not play them. Now there is Tziolis. This could be for continuity of an existing so-called strong culture within the team. I don't think having Tziol there to look up to and influence younger players is the right choice. He will start doing this with Maniati soon too. This is just not allowing young fresh players opportunity to come into the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) I think Samaris should be a box to box midfielder and not stay so deep. I think we should try a 4-3-3 with a midfield of Tachtsidis, Fortounis and Samaris. I think Samaris can do more higher up the pitch. I think the number 6 role limits him but the number 10 role is also too much. He needs to be in more balanced role where he is contributing in both attack and defence. Maniatis is a very good worker in midfield and can be a difference in not conceding, but we need faster and more creative players there who can pass and move off the ball. In my opinion I think going forward we should have Kyriakos as the holding midfielder with Samaris working together with Mantalos and Fortounis to create for Mitroglou. Edited October 9, 2016 by Dean97 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Players have to be careful Not to play too well for the Pyrates. Samaris played as a no.8 when he scored a magnificent World Cuo goal, then he was thrown in deep to play as no.6 after that successful campaign. Taxi played out of his skin V Hungary and disappeared ever since. Hellas must play Taxi 6, Samaris 8 and Fortounis 10 in the heart of their midfield with Mantalos on the wing. The Pyrates are so healthy in CAM position with Fortounis, Mantalos and Ninis. Also, in the Second Striker position with Karelis and Bakasetas. Although we play 2nd strikers on the wings. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) I agree with you on that. Now im just going to show everyone Samaris with his old club Panionios and Olympiakos where he was played a bit further up as a number 8. He scored more when he was in and around the box then 15 yards away from it. Also shows how the defensive mid role limits him. Edited October 9, 2016 by Dean97 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) Here is a video with Benfica look at around 1:31 and 2.00. Edited October 9, 2016 by Dean97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgelaz Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) we beat estonia basically without samaris, sokratis, torosidis, holebas and fourtonis almost half of our team! all of which should be starters and key players. Edited October 10, 2016 by georgelaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AEK442 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 The injury to Torosidis and just being that bit older means we definitely need a backup specialist RB in the squad. No good playing CBs at RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgelaz Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 we've been blessed with Seitaridis and Torosidis. Doesn't seem like we have anyone of that quality coming up the ranks. I'd rather just play with 3 cb's sokratis as a makeshift rb than kitsiou or skondras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgelaz Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) We'd beat most other NT's with this line up. Mitroglou Fortounis Mantalos Tatchsi Samaris Holebas - Sokratis- K paps - Manolas - Torosidis Karnezis I think this lineup is the only we really have a shot of beating belgium. Edited October 10, 2016 by georgelaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellasLEAF Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 ^^^ I'm a big fan of that, too bad we've lost Holebas for good now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Holebas is no longer in the team so I expect to see Stafylidis instead of Tzavellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argy Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) Jose just wants to stick it to Skibbe. He feels that he should get minutes, especially when two defenders went down early. Skibbe opted to put an inexperienced CB to play RB over playing Holebas. He plays in the EPL, he's effective and he is pissed; rightly so. It's a shame he took such a drastic decision. Here's hoping he changes his mind. Edited October 10, 2016 by Argy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgelaz Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 I don't really believe holebas is out. if that did actually happen, he's warm-blooded and will probably retract his position after reflection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akritis_1944 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Well if anyone from Skibbe to EPO to his teammates care enough then they have 1 month to change his mind in time for the Bosnia match. I personally don't see Holebas ever playing again as long as Skibbe is in charge. Shame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgelaz Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) I don't think he's gone for good. didn't skibbe use him at least once against luxenbourg? which he was one of our best players on the pitch Edited October 11, 2016 by georgelaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Ok, if infact LB Cholevas has opted to retire from Tzioli's boythes, thereis enough cover at LB. Who comes in to join the squad as RB back-up, Bakakis, Skondras or Kitsiou? We need more squad balance. Leave Kolokotroni and Pythagoras out of fullback positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 3 hours ago, georgelaz said: We'd beat most other NT's with this line up. Mitroglou Fortounis Mantalos Tatchsi Samaris Holebas - Sokratis- K paps - Manolas - Torosidis Karnezis I think this lineup is the only we really have a shot of beating belgium. This lineup and formation should 100% be used with the one exception of tachtsidis. He is to slow and casual to play at this level. But the rest of this looks fantastic. A country like Greece who lacks depth needs all of there best players on the field at once. U can't sit kpaps. And the holebas as a wing back is lethal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellasLEAF Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 K. Paps was solid on the right for what it's worth. I don't see much wrong with that move in that moment I take him on the pitch any day when needing to defend vs Holebas and an attacking player is not what was needed at the time. People may not like Holebas omission from the start but after our early lead and injuries I very much agree he was not the right player to come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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