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J1078 is right. Give him a chance. I like the call ups he made. Most have been playing apart from 2 players which are Stafylidis because he wants him captain and Koulouris because we haven’t got many strikers. I would’ve liked to have seen Fetfatzidis because he can create something out of nothing but it’s fine. The goal is to go to Qatar. Van’t Schip is trying to rebuild something that is broken. He seems to care for the national team and wants the best for Greece. Let him do his thing because we haven’t gotten anywhere for the last 5 years

Dude Ive been complaining about our teams performance for the last 5 years man so now that we have a coach that finally got something to click and has the team looking confident and playing the most attractive football we've played in years WITHOUT manolas and Socratis you still want to complain??? Just give the guy a chance man..

Exactly. Our play under JVS has improved with faster ball movement leading to great attacking play and pressing high to win the ball back. With Sokratis and Manolas the team looked sluggish and the poor attitude they brought during the Italy match then turned into a complete debacle in the loss at home to Armenia. I don’t think JVS will bring back Sokratis, as for Manolas maybe he takes a chance on him he’s still young and is a world class defender as long as he just shows up and plays the game he can definitely help us. We shall see. overall I see the team is moving forward with a great vision and energy that JVS has brought in.

Did some more research on the subject ... For reaching the EL group stage we are getting the following: € 2,920,000 - for making the group stage of EL € 2,777,130 - coefficient payment (based on 5-year coefficient in UEFA standings) € 2,000,000 (minimum) - 5,692,130 (maximum) - market pool (based on how many Greek teams make the group stage So far we have € 7,697,130 guaranteed If we qualify to the CL playoff round (and lose) we will receive an additional € 5,000,000 In group stage we will also receive € 570,000 for each win and € 190,000 for each tie. If we win the group we will get extra € 1,000,000. If we finish 2nd we will get € 500,000 If by any miracle we make the CL group stage we will make a lot of money. We will revisit this if it happens.

Let them take it to CAS. We should get banned from European competition and relegated in the SL. Expect to see Marinakis file their equivalent of an amicus brief, in support of Besiktas' position.

You're being very generous I reckon there bananas! Scrappy chances or individual moments of brilliance is all we were seeing for the most part. I agree with everything you said re JVS, the football he has us playing and his handling of Sokratis/Manolas. He's made us look like a modern football team with our play as well as chalking up a few wins after feeling out the squad. He's earned the respect of the players and most fans. Excited to see these 2 games next week.

All I know is when we had Sokratis and Manolas we were losing to heavy weights like Faroe Islands. In addition we were creating 2 or 3 good chances per match! What was worse though, was the brand of football we were playing. It was sad, I mean depressing and downright embarrassing. It was what you would see from a bunch of players who have retired and now play in pensioner leagues and can't be assed anymore. Compare that to what we have now where the team plays open football, runs and creates 20+ chances per game. I know which I prefer. As to how much Sokratis and Manolas are to blame we can only speculate. Maybe they are at fault, maybe they aren't and they've been made scapegoats. Unless you're in there in the club rooms and at the training sessions you can't really know. All I know is JVS kicked them out and now the team is flying in comparison to what it was. Maybe one day Manolas might get a call up and if so I trust JVS to make that decision. End of the day, I'm fine with both of them not being in the team because something was obviously *VERY* wrong.

Dude Sokratis and Manolas are done, they are obviously a cancer in the dressing room and to be honest how far have they got us?? we've gone through how many coaches and we've been losing to the worst teams in the world with both of those guys in the line up. Its time to rebuild the team in a proper way as we saw what happened after our last world cup appearance when guys retired we were screwed. Give JVS a chance man the guy has us playing our best soccer in years.