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Kourbelis and Zeca could finally solidify a midfield that has previously been a weak point.

Very much off the mark, I am not lying to myself when I say I think there is a big over-reaction to this loss and that I feel we can build on this performance and possession domination of the last two games.

Skibbe did realize how putrid he was and subbed him at HT. Why did Skibbe not start Lykogiannis? Tzavellas did not have the pace to keep up with the Hungarian forwards and was at fault for the second goal.

I disagree with anyone syaing we weren't a threat. this match we were unironically much better than vs Estonia Offensively. Pelkas shot that got saved. Mitroglou header barely out. Mitrogou shot from the penalty area. FOrtounis I think? Shot that got into corner and then again another manolas header. And what did you see from the Hunns. One funny goal at first half that was fast equalized and then 1,5 minute of domination which led to a goal. I don't think they really have ANY OTHER highlights. And although Hunns are nothing too decent they are not Kafenio. The same people crying about "better football but bad result" are the ones who were "not convinced" when Skibbe was winning Cyprus and Estonia with 0,5 goal and that it's not only the result that matters it's the appearance of the team. Greeks are always unprepared in September. I don't remember many good official matches weve played in September. Skibbe realised that klwtsoskoufi with Torosidis crossing hoping Mitroglou gets a shot was not good. Now as for the players that get bashed mostly: Tzavellas definately had a bad match but Lykogiannis wasn't good either. Maybe defensively he was more on it but his crosses were meh at best. Stafylidis is both offensively and defensively solid. He can not be replaced by no Lykogiannis no Tzavellas no Retsos. Fortounis Pelkas good Lazaros, don't start again please. He was TERRIBLE. Someone here said he was trying lol. He was falling whenever touched. Neymar #2. bad passes, just a shot from outside the box not on target. That's your 90 minutes so praised Lazaros. Team needs to be Donis Fortounis Pelkas in the mesoepithetiki line. Noone else deserves a spot for now. Mitroglou was unready and protecting himself. Good for him that he did come on 2nd half in a match that is not yet crucial. It was obvious yet he was more threatening than Donis as CF and definately more than Bakasetas. He is the best one we have so bashing him there is no need. He is no Ronaldo so he ll do F*** ups as well but he is the best we have no point to ask him out when the team can't really work without him. Bouchalakis I stated previously as well, the guy is liked from Olympiakos and Skibbe because he is not afraid to make the risky pass. If such a pass happens it can unlock a defence and make defenders shaky. Of course risky passes mean also fail passes. The fact that he does not seem to be psychologically affected by his bad passes is not bad. We need such a player not afraid to take a risk playing vs minnows. YES both Hungary and Estonia and even Finland are MINNOWS for us. And we ll prove it by finishing top of the Group. Kourbelis I like. In fact I think he and Bouchalakis compliment each other. The team is rolling better than previous qualifiers so I think they re the reason for that. Torosidis was not bad actually. His age shows but he was not bad. Barkas tried nothing to comment on him. So overall I want Lazaros out. Skibbe why bash him? He put a line up you all agreed to like. He had a 3rd sub saved in case of need but Manolas injury f*cked him up as well. 3 matches at home left. We need to stomp Hungary at home to be above them in case of a tie due to the between-us results. The finns are the best team in this Group after us but I think they will play openly vs us seeing they re having momentum and that can cost us (as it should have cost vs the Hunns). If this match ended up with a win you'd say a 9/10 performance. If it ended up with a draw you'd say a 7/10? Now that it's a loss you re bashing playhers whoactually played well. See the matches vs Estonia and Cyprus in the last qualifiers. Skibbe has put a lot of work to create link between the players offensively and try and play tiki taka. Give him some credit too.

Fortounis was our best player. Mitroglou is Mitroglou. He is slow and doesn't get involved in games consistently. Lazaros tried but was very limited technically and that goes a long way. If your always falling down, and have a bad touch you won't get far in football. You need skill and technique as a winger. Fortounis is the one that tried as he got an assist for Manolas. Pelkas was very iffy today. I like him though and he is better than Mantalos and Bakasetas on the wing. I have to say that we do look better and our midfield looked stronger without Tziolis and Samaris. Bouchalakis didn't well but looked better than Tziolis. Tzavellas I don't think will ever play again for the national team. Barkas is a good keeper. Saved us many times. In my opinion after this game this is what should happen. - Lazaros and Torosidis need to go to the bench. - Tziolis, Tzavellas and Bakasetas need to be dropped completely. - Barkas should be given another chance. - Donis needs to start outwide. - Kourbelis and Zeca should be the starting CMs. - Galanopoulos and Tsimikas need to be in this team. Also I hope Vergos and Manos prove themselves this season as we need competition at ST.

Fortounis was fantastic today. Much better than WC qualifying. Very encouraging.

bravo @Alphonse speaking some sense. All the guys getting hammered for a poor performance (donis lazaros etc) were the same guys these posters wanted starting the game. Now that we lost (through bad luck more than poor play imo) it's "we are so embarrassing, can't believe Skibbe is still in a job, I called it Lazaro is s%$#!, donis is koutsianikoulis 2.0. It's quiet funny We are playing much better football than we have in a few years, quality of the opponent probably has something to do with that but never the less. Happy with how we are looking but I pray Mitro is fit in a month when we have our next round of matches because without him we struggle (not exactly a news flash)

We have looked heaps better in possession over the last 2 years. Bouchalakis and Kourbelis are the reason for that. Bouchalakis didn't have a great game as even I got frustrated with him. But he and Kourbelis kept the ball well and we're the reason we kept possession well. But we need to penetrate the defence more.

Still can’t understand why Skibbe started Tzavellas who struggled only to take him off at HT for Lykogiannis, what a waste of a substitution. Also he should have started Mitroglou in the first half when we were pressing we had many quality chances and he may have been able to finish one. It’s a very disappointing loss a tie would have been the more fair result now I think we have to get 10 points in the last four matches to top the group.

I cant blame the Greek players today. They played with heart and attacked alot more than the hungarians. Infact we got the away goal which should have been enough. Want to see how this group plays out especially when we finally get to play at home. If we play with the same energy surely we will belt both hungary and estonia on the return legs. If skibbe panics and decides to slow (tsiolis) the team play then we will go nowhere. Am really looking forward to our nxt match against Finland? Dont worry about our performance, i have seen the ethniki since our Euro win and todays game was a breath of fresh air compared to some other games. The goals we conceded were crackers today. Yes we should have cleared the 2nd one and not let hungary have 20 shots in 20 seconds but that defied logic. Had an element of ass in it. The ref was a touvlo. Lazaros and Fortouni were constantly getting fouled and the hungarians should have got far more yellows than 2 for the match. Disgraceful amateur gypsy, we seem to get these refs to our games but that comes with dropping our ranking i guess. Believe me people we have been alot worse than today. I hate losing more than anyone. Bring Zeca in, start Mitroglou, play Donis for 90 minutes unless he cant finish the match. Siova into the squad. Retsos and Staf hopefully are back from injury and hopefully Samari finds form and starts getting big game time at Benfica. Holebas i know has retired from the NT (Skibbe to blame) but he would be a great addition to the squad. Our 21s won away so hopefully we look a couple of lads from there. At the end of the day we can not afford any more losses in the group.

boucha seemed decent exept that final pass where we had momentum and could've scored... zeca is better though for sure lazaros was going down too easy. I'd rather us just fight through things and stay up and try to make a chance rather than get screwed by a ref not calling things and trying to milk the foul. Look at Holebas vs. Spurs. He got clipped and almost fell but regained balance and crossed it for a goal. More than a few of those with Tzavellas/Lazaros. mitroglou looked more confident in 1st game than 2nd. mitroglou of first game probably would have got a goal or two this game. pelkas was unreal. winning a header inside our box and then running full sprint upfield with a breakaway. him donis/zeca will be unreal engines for us making the field look like a basketball court. Sucks we lost but I enjoyed this game and I think we can still take this group. Hungary was playing like we were the better team because we are. They just got the better of us. Like another user said 8 times outta 10 we play like this we would win.

On the other hand, Bouchalakis in over his head. Need to get Zeca back.

@Alphonse Possession doesn't mean a thing when Greece is toothless in the final third. I remember when we out-possessed Colombia in the 2014 WC. Did that mean anything? No. This team has had a problem for several years now, and that's putting the ball in the back of the net. There is no way to sugarcoat this. Not to mention, Greece has one of the best CB duos based on talent yet they keep leaking in goal after goal against average to below average teams. This squad is a mess.

You're gona give Lazaros credit for trying and say Fortounis was disappointing in the same sentence regarding this game? Fortounis was our best by some way today

donis is great as a winger but not potent enough to be a single striker. he's so damn fast and won a few balls pure from his speed. him and pelkas on the wings will be lethal. fortounis middle mitro up top we're solid. then kourbelis zeca cm back four pretty ncie too if we have staf sok man bakakis. I like this side. hopefully can all stay healthy. is it this common to always be msising players? it seems we never have a full powered squad

Their midfield was weak physically to say the least. Thats why we dominated I guess. Fragile young tits. Maniatis would have stared them down easily.

You always make me feel better, babe

Good times indeed!

Yeah but Estonia got behind both wing backs on a few occasions... Hungary would be more dangerous, Bakakis is better than Torosidis now days although I think Lykogiannis will play better if given another chance

I was a long time lurker on the old GreekSoccer forums... there was a lot of activity on there and it kind of disappeared out of nowhere. I know some others have migrated here to Phantis so I'm grateful we have website at least, but it's not as active as GreekSoccer