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After some thought about it I ve came to some random conclusions: *Everyone b!tching about how poor we played after 2 starters already missing and 2 more comming on the way is completely retarded. *Everyone b!tching about no good offensive progression without Frtounis is completely retarded. He is way more talented than Mantalos and Bakasetas apparently, and his loss was crucial. Mantalos is also very good but I really rate Fortounis a lot higher than him. His pressing on the Right Flank is remarkable and needs a spot in the starting X1. *Everyone crying about why Bakasetas is played as a winger/wide AM and not Karelis just needs to watch this match to understand why. Karelis highlights: try to dribble past 1-2 guys and fail, some soft shots on the keeper, giving his hands to the Estonians after final blow. I like Bakasetas LW for only one thing, and that is: We know our Left flank is kinda bad defensively, even Holebas was no Defence god, Stafylidis and Tzavellas are also not that great. Bakasetas runs his bum up and down defending and then helping offence again. Guy is not very fast but his physical is enough. He is the Seba of our NT. And against Belgium/Bosnia, we re gonna need that extra man defending. -> Dont get me wrong, I rate Karelis as a CF, but only as that. *Did anyone look at that Wasiljev guy's hair? WTF man this is not 1980 no more. *Kyriakos as a RB is a MUST-NOT-HAPPEN-AGAIN. Forgot himself up front too much. That header should ve gone in mate. *I posted this before as well but here I go again: Stafylidis is Estonian daddy. All you h8ers go pray for ex-Paok Winger. *I honestly don't understand how people blame Tachtsidis. He did some remarkable stuff and most importantly keep the midfield not be a κέντρο διερχομένων. Did some really smart stuff throughout the game that seemed retarded for one simple reason: noone could read his mind. It is obvious that this player has not trained with this team and they don't know him well enough. Liked the fact that he tried with high through balls at first, but after watching how slow our attackers were he adapted to the team. Really seems like a situation where an unknown guy is brought to play to your 8x8 team because someone found a gf and there is no time for him to play. *Stop praising Karnezis for existing. I mean ok he stopped everything vs both Cyprus and Estonia, he is not a keeper to let a cheap goal come on. He is very talented, good Keeper (kinda problematic with penalties), but all the shots that were made on target were literally comming on him. This is in both matches. Also secure with his feet. After I saw Panayi of Cyprus I really felt some relief that we have Karnezis and Kapinos. * Cyprus you could ve done better. That -2 points would keep Bosnians 5 points behind us before the clash. Now if that ain't displeasent for them , I don't know what is. *Holebas Idgaf(i dont give a fak-for you old people) if he used the NT for fame and contracts. He was and is our best LB and played at his full potential.Proved to care despite eveyrone saying otherwise. And Skibbe mistreated him. That's on the coach. HOWEVER, had he stayed and there indeed existed a problem, that would mean the changing rooms would be lost and the team would return to the EURO16 path. On the one side, problematic behaviour players leaving (and willingly) is a bonus. But our other options are far inferior. *That translater after the match taking an interview from Skibbe. WTF man, why dont we find someone who knows about football?I mean ok that's really nothing serious but EPO seems full of trolls. *I honestly believe we are going to qualify for the play offs at least. Bosnia seems troubled. A player stated that"If we played like we played today(vs Cyp) in Greece we will take a result". Another player stated some minutes later "If we play like we played today(vs Cyp) in Greece we are going to have problems". Even they dont know if they played good or bad. So I guess its not just us. Its the whole Group's thing. If we go to the WC depends on who we meet.

I'd rather see the Ethniki play in a stadium with a capacity of 15,000 that's sold out than see the Ethniki play in a stadium of 35,000 capacity with only a 1/4 of the people. In other words I want to see a stadium packed with heaps of chanting and noise.

Nikod, when I saw he was stopping from the national team Georgatos, Zikos & Eleftheropoulos immediately came to mind after the 5-1 loss to Finland. If it was due to bad attitude towards the national team ok but it just seemed like a preference. Holebas is one my favorite players in the national team but if he quits so easy without trying to fight his way back into the start lineup, whether as a left winger/midfielder or left back it must not mean that much anymore & should stick to club football.

There wouldn't be anyone disagree given that Tottenham/Liverpool had Tzavella and Moras as CB, Vyntra with Cholevas fullbacks and a midfield in a triangle, of Maniati, Tzioli and Katsouranis even today.

Shocking news. Greece has a small pool of talent and can ill afford losing players like Holebas as we try to rebuild. I can't understand not using Holebas in place of injured Tzavellas and Samaris. I can't understand why Scibbe persists with Maniatis and Tziolis and ignores Holebas. Makes no sense. I haven't seen the 2 matches with Cyprus and Estonia but while the results were good the display wasn't from all accounts.

This is the big one!! Belgium will not drop a point in this group..

I've only rated Holebas speed and strength. He is a very average player in my opinion but has improved. In my opinion his speed has made him be part of this team. He was not very composed on the ball, he is very clumsy and touches weren't always consistent. His speed made up for everything. Stafylidis I believe has better touches on the ball and is more composed.

holebas is greek. his dad's name is achiles and imo he played hard for us and didn't appear to slack at all. I have cousins who are 3rd generation greeks and they are just as greek as anybody. him and mr. mykonos are regularly spotted at the beach bars lol he's our best lb by a long shot. staf and tzavella are the equivalent to skondras and kitsiou as a replacement for torosidis he's a no brainer to be our lb I really don't get it. and dude plays in epl we have been getting results without him though, perhaps he has been the cancer of the group? despite putting on sick performances, that could just be in spite of his not caring lol.

mate I don't understand how people in Greece put there club in front of the national team. Secondly EPO is not doing enough to promote the national team. they should make sure that the stadium is full at all times give away tickets to families if they have too. kaftazoglou stadium would be a perfect candidate I would even consider roofing the whole stadium. even get rid of the track increase the capacity to like 35 thousand.

How much are tickets going for games do you or anybody know? They should charge 5/10 per person max and let children in for free. Families will make a day/night of it and theres a chance of a nicely filled stadium with a nice atmosphere which at the end of the day will only help the players and who knows maybe give them a kick up the backside to play better football, unlike the 8-10k crowd they play infront of now, the game vs Cyprus was like a funeral, I understand the rain was bad that day but it was dreadful. Felt like a game behind closed doors. Where are these days gone..

He is a solid EPL player that has a place on this team. I would play him as a left mid/winger where the risk he poses as a defender is mitigated. He is actually one of the most effective attacking players we have and the NT has lost an important player if he stands by his word.

^we did dominate possession last campaign against Finland,FI,and NI even Hungary and we ate goals on the counter and set pieces from each team, I don't think anyone is suggesting go all out and neglect the defense, I think the issue here is there is no fluidity in our game, there is a huge gap between Midfeilders and Forwrds, when we are attacking or breaking out we aren't moving up as a unit which is not giving us options to control the ball, it seems like our chances are one and done either it ends up being a solo act by a player with no support. We need to close the gap between our back end and Forwards. I feel like our mids are afraid to move up in the fear of getting caught on the counter which is really ruining the flow. It doesn't help that Maniatis is in the midfield. We need someone to be able to control the mid and control the pace. I know we've been searching but until someone with SKILL is put in that role it won't change our style.

Great goal of Partizan. The game was a big fiesta. And propaganda for friendship in football.

Players literally getting stripped by the home fans. Things must be rough in Serbia.