Vasili0s Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 That Ajax move has been catastrophic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loup Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 That Ajax move has been catastrophic. He did little at Bremen either - at the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loup Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 well in this match i want to see what lybe can do, but then when Amanatidis is healthy again..... it depends if otto plays 2 or 3 natural strikers, with 3 like in the mexico game, charisteas did play better but still :angry: Amantidis has played in both of his club games - why is he not on the national team???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korisos Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Amantidis has played in both of his club games - why is he not on the national team???? i would guess he's not 100% and otto didn't know for sure if he would be ready in time or not so then why risk it for a friendly? but that's just my guess, i'm sure it's just a temporary thing, don't be too worried. he will become frankfurt's top striker when healthy again cos they don't have any other decent striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korisos Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 the game tomorrow will be otto's 50th in charge of the national team, so far he has a record of 25 wins-13draws and only 11 loses :o http://www.epo.gr/detail.asp?e_article_id=...rticle_cat_id=2 :gr: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iliana Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 let's go for the win!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aekrossoponti Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 if lymperopoulos and salpigidis dont get decent time on the pitch the otto does not want to score. he ll probably start with charisteas and vryzas... :( by the way ert sat is supposed to show the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallofsoccer88 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Mabye a little late for predictions, but consdering who's been called up and who has been injured or out of form as of late here's what I think Otto should do in this game (especially with 7 subs at his disposal) (4-3-1-2 formation): GK: Nikopolidis should start, Sifakis should play the 2nd half. Defense: Same usual back 4 as of late, except put Fyssas on the wing. With Goumas still being hurt (I think) I hope Otto dosen't play him. PAO will need him for the CL Qualifier next week. Same with Vyntra. Depending on how the game goes, I'm curious to see how Moras is. To start out: Seiteridis, Kapsis, Kyraigos, Fyssas. Midifeld: Same as usual, with no real left-sided midfielder in the squad, I'd have Katsouranis playing out on the left wing. Lakis could sub in as could Kafes (if we have a lead, as Kafes is more of a defensive mid as opposed to Stelios. Stelios-Zagorakis-Katsouranis Attacking Mid: Karagounis had played well in pre-season soccer with Inter Milan, and I think this position fits his style of play the best. Forwards: Not much here, Haristeas and Vryzas have not done well recently, but there isin't much else to do considering who Otto has called for this game I'd put Salpingidis and Lybe on in the 2nd half. Even with the new faces, we can beat Belgium who haven't been very good over the last few year (NT or club teams alike) A 1-1 draw would be good, though we could possibly win this 2-1. Your thoughts...??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korisos Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 thia appears to be the lineup Nikopolidis fyssas/soto/kapsis/giourkas stelios/kara/basinas/zagorakis/lakis charisteas belgium look more dangerous in the beginning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korisos Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 mistake by Kapsis, 1-0 Belgium scored by Mpenza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korisos Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 son of a :angry: :angry: :angry: 2-0 from the other Mpenza 24' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billydagreek Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 basinas injured, not to be an ass, but i hope he is done........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almamatter Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 The team is pretty good. The goals were silly. I don't think we would do such mistakes in non friendly game. I just now want to see Lyberopoulo replacing Laki for the 2nd half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasili0s Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 As usual Charisteas is drifting alone up front, and Kapsis is in horrible condition. Thankfully we'll see some changes for the 2nd half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korisos Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 lybe in for lakis alexopoulos in for soto vryzas in for basinas zago had the best chance in the 1st half on a diving header from a giourkas cross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallofsoccer88 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 After watching the 1st half, I don't know where our defense was. Belgium could be up 3-0 or 4-0 had a few other breaks go their way. We're looking somewhat threatening up front, Zagorakis had a great diving header denied by a excellent save by the Belgian goalie. Now I know why people have been bitching at Haristeas, a couple of good oopertunites but he seems pretty lazy, no real runs or off the ball movement. Same with Basinas. Their forward Mbenza is killing us up front. Very fast, with a good shot (see 2nd goal). Though I was iirtated that NIkopolidis didn't at least go after it, he could've had it. Though he's made a couple of very good saves in the first half. The 1st one wasen't really his fault as Kapsis hit a really crappy pass back to him. I hate to sound pessimestic, but some players did well. Karagounis played well, Stelios set up a couple of good oppertunities (as well as playing very well on the left not his usual position), Zagorakis is busting his ass as usual (with some great crossing of the ball as well). Defense made quite a few mistakes, Fyssas and Seiteridis are playing very agressive and attack-minded on the flanks. I'm confident Otto can pull it together and make it intresting in the 2nd half. FORZA ELLAS! :tup: :box: :gr: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evalagoal Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 tHE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WE HAVE NO-ONE THAT CAN MAKE THINGS HAPPEN.... THAT'S WHAT'S MISSING FROM THIS TEAM. OUR MIDFILEDERS ARE NOT CREATING CHANCES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evalagoal Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 After watching the 1st half, I don't know where our defense was. Belgium could be up 3-0 or 4-0 had a few other breaks go their way. We're looking somewhat threatening up front, Zagorakis had a great diving header denied by a excellent save by the Belgian goalie. Now I know why people have been bitching at Haristeas, a couple of good oopertunites but he seems pretty lazy, no real runs or off the ball movement. Same with Basinas. Their forward Mbenza is killing us up front. Very fast, with a good shot (see 2nd goal). Though I was iirtated that NIkopolidis didn't at least go after it, he could've had it. Though he's made a couple of very good saves in the first half. The 1st one wasen't really his fault as Kapsis hit a really crappy pass back to him. I hate to sound pessimestic, but some players did well. Karagounis played well, Stelios set up a couple of good oppertunities (as well as playing very well on the left not his usual position), Zagorakis is busting his ass as usual (with some great crossing of the ball as well). Defense made quite a few mistakes, Fyssas and Seiteridis are playing very agressive and attack-minded on the flanks. I'm confident Otto can pull it together and make it intresting in the 2nd half. FORZA ELLAS! :tup: :box: :gr: Zagorakis.... is terrible in this match.. He's playing just like a typicall Greek player. He's looking for call s from the ref and he's not getting them. Also he hasn't really done anything in the middle other than the diving header... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korisos Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 well if it makes you feel better zago out and kafes in and slapingidis in and stelios out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evalagoal Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 well if it makes you feel better zago out and kafes in and slapingidis in and stelios out It doesn't make me feel better my friend... It's just that at that stature these guys need to perform better. I'm starting to think that these guys are turning more and more into pre-madonnnas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evalagoal Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 :tdown: A damn shame.... Since March is when our team has actually scored... Something needs to be done. :tdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korisos Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 what can i say except i can't emphasize more that we have not scored in 6 games. today a lot of players were just looking for calls and weren't always getting them. i wanted to see sifakis, nikopolidis played okay made a nice save and held onto the ball. giourkas was the best player, he made some decent runs that reminded me of last summer and made actually some usefull crosses unlike fyssas, all his crosses were garbage. lakis didn't start so well but played a decent half. what really pissed me off was all our passes into open space never found their destination and long balls went nowhere the only threat was really giourkas in the right, i know we have injuries (dellas, kats, goumas, amanatidis) but we should have done much better today really. and can someone describe the 2nd goal? i didn't see it cos my ert-sat feed was buffering at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Since March is when our team has actually scored... And combine that statement with Denmark - England 4-1 and what do you get? October 8 (when we play the Danes) is going to be a tough day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drakos13 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 tHE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WE HAVE NO-ONE THAT CAN MAKE THINGS HAPPEN.... THAT'S WHAT'S MISSING FROM THIS TEAM. OUR MIDFILEDERS ARE NOT CREATING CHANCES THANK YOU !!!!!!!!SOMEONE ELSE SAW!!!!!!people are saying stupid s%$#! about lack of strikers (even i said something after the confed cup) but the real problem and it is a huge problem is the midfield.......it was all too clear this match. Nothing at all is constructed in midfield. it was null. defense was also really crappy amazing with 5 in the back line you could still find open belgians.....or congolese whatever they are Charisteas was actually very good today, he was working his ass off, made good touches, passes a few duds but overall pretty good but he couldnt do much without proper service and suppport..... Vryzas was also great....hes not done at all. Just because he didnt score dont mean s%$#!. He moves right, he breaks free, he can hold the ball and link it up, and if you give him a good chance hell finish it..... the other big problem was set peices. Basinas is finished with them and soon the nationalteam so i hope......... Karagkounis's corners (he had at least 7 today) were all TERRIBLE. These were seriously crap corners they were basically free fast break's for belgian defense. The organization of the corners was also really bad....Giannakopoulos also doesnt do any corners right... we need to find someone or have someone at Inter teach kara to make a decent corner because i really feel that i myself can take better.... overall my take: Rehagel did a great job reconstructing the Greek National team, he did the best possible and will be remembered forever. But everyone has to come to an end, Rehagels is near. Its better if we dont reknew his contract and let someone else have a shot at the team, there is a great youth generation ahead and Rehagel only today finally tried new players out (even though they werent all young)...but still not enough to make up for it......there was no reason whatsoever not to give Sifakis a chance second half......Kota melos is shaky sometimes and hes not going to be around forever.... Kota- Melos= its hard to give him a rating. One minute he makes brilliant saves and the next hes being a jackass trying to dribble around Benza instead of clearing it...he was overall good but hes still having his "moments" which are game threatening.... Fyssas--of the better players, solid, worked hard Kirgiakos---decent... Kapsis-------utter crap for 90 mins not just his la8os....might not be fit but does that mean u still play stupid? second half he was making crap passes and while the whole team had impressed me by stopping the long ball crap he was the one to spoil it with stupid long passes to be collected right up and sent down to the Benzades....should have been replaced with Seitaridis-----good defensive skils, but just couldnt cut it on the attacking part....no good service... Basinas------what do you think? crap once again. Another example of rehagel's stubborness...was better on defense this time around but when it came to distribution it was more saxlamares......hes lost it from set peices too..... Zagorakis---ok overall.....not much to comment on wasnt particularly great but just did fine but could have done better Lakis------nobody got him the ball......he played decent the few chances hedid get it....i think he could be useful Giannakopoulos- surprisingly bad......he didnt run, he was full of poor passes, slack defense...just overall bad. Karagkounis-------the only player with some real flair on the team....dribbling good, passes were overall good, but shoots like a highschool player....not like an Inter player........was pathetic at corners...... Charisteas-above ---------------------- subs: Lybe---- a really good player we need him on the team.......made some great passes that opened up belgian defense but a bit weak at controlling the ball....had a good turn and shot on goal and found himself in a good position--- he makes the team in my opinoin definitly at least as a sub Alexopoulos----decent, needs more experience with AEK, good tackler....i say keep him as a backup if we need him Salpiggidis---ok.....hes good player but i cant seeing him progress to get a spot on the team regularly.....or even a backup.... Vryzas (see above) Vyntra---not much time, made a nice tackle, no giant mistakes in his 15 mins Moras----should have gotten playing time 2nd half over the awful kapsis Kafes------was overall ok, i think hes worth keeping as a backup...... as for the game overall: 1st half was really lousy.....no chances nothing and the 5-4-1/4-5-1 is garbage 2nd half we played a 4-3-3 and played much more open and was quite releiveing.....unfourtunatly it opened our defense too and the kota saved us a few times along with almost killing us once.... so we made chances and passes ON THE GROUND for a change which was good but problem is Denmark will finish us off if we open our defense like that no doubt..... The same 11 game after game isnt going to work....the team needs rebuilding......I really dont see us going to Germany next summer, the team would have to pull a massive turnaround and thats not possible unless we can beat Denmark and georgia will be tough too if we cant score.....but who knows? Rehagel has to drop this stuborness crap and throw the crap off the team like Basinas....and open up our game so we can find the net... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clover22 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Well like I said...you can't bring in these players who don't have any playing time w/ the NT at the very last minute and expect everything to fall into place. And starting one lone striker up front in the first half won't help matters...Salp showed potential but it's too late...Vryzas was good...Lybe was quite good and I would keep him as a sub for the next qualifiers. Noticed how Haristeas dissapeared in the second half? I would use the line up we had against Mexico for the next game, but thats the other thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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