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Everything posted by Clover22

  1. We qualify out of easy groups; against Argentina Otto thought it was a brilliant idea to play a 9 - 1 formation.
  2. No, defensive mids can't play like creative attackers; thats why we call them defensive mids! Different style of play. I know success doesn't mean winning tournaments; my point is for the most part we've played like s hit since 2004. Just advancing is not good enough; the team has to PLAY.
  3. Mangas, an example of their "leadership" is what you just saw against a lousy Bosnian team. An example of their "leadership" is what you saw at Euro 2012 (so what if we advanced to the next round we played like s hit). The reason for the "sit back" mentality is because defense midfielders do just that; they won't open up and attack. If he continues to play defensive mids then you won't see anything different! Kats? Tziolis? Maniatis? Kara? Play Fetfa and Ninis and you won't see them sitting back, that is not their instinct or style, plain and simple. What do you mean its remarkable we've been successful with this style of play? We haven't been successful since 2004! Every appearance we've had in a Euro or WC since then has been trash!
  4. Not sure why anyone would think keeping Kats and Kara even on the bench is a good idea since they show game after endless game they can't cut it. They're not creative, they f uck up the whole team and they should have been retired by now! End of story!
  5. Mangas, bingo, thats the line up of players that would have won this game easily. Its really not so complicated but as long as you have these rejects like Santos and Kats in there it just won't happen.
  6. Absolutely atrocious. They couldn't put together more than 2 passes. No communication WHAT-SO-EVER. This does not surprise me one bit. If anyone is interested, the problem is this gang of bums: Santos, Kats, Kara and Fyssas. As long as they're f ucking around behind the scenes, you'll keep seeing the same crappy football. These rejects must be REMOVED. Do you really want to see this team advance to the WC and get their asses whipped? When we clearly have the talent to put something great together? DO NOT support this team; demand that they go!
  7. Santos playing his friends again: Kara and Kats, 2 guys who are past their peak, who can't do anything creative but will still get the call up even when they're 60. And Vyntra. Am I supposed to take this seriously?
  8. Well, I wouldn't call the Greek League and Olympiakos "clean and fair"; corrupt is certainly more like it. At any rate hopefully someone can clear up and explain this Fetfa situation sooner than later.
  9. How do you really know he is not bothered by it? Were you there when he signed the contract? Did you speak to him personally? I wouldn't judge him unless we really know whats going on; and something clearly isn't right. I think these guys are a bunch of corrupt scumbags.
  10. Any player with that kind of talent and ability DESERVES a call up; if the sh it - for - brains coaches can't get a grip on that fact too bad. Too bad for the teams, too bad for millions of football fans. This has already been pointed out: Kats doesn't play for any team yet he gets called up (not referring to this game). Does that sit well with you? Wake up man
  11. He'll find a way to f uck things up for the NT when we get to the next qualifier, and yes his two bitches, Kats and Kara, will be back. As you can see he calls Dimoutsos, Kone and Iam-very-well-connected-but-a-below-average-player Vyntra, but once again leaves out Fetfa. I'm not surprised; this is the same old sh it, so WHO CARES?
  12. We're more advanced now w/ our athletes than in 1855 when it comes to nutrition and building up for competition. However I'm not denying the mentality point. Also I have noticed the team seems to go into these "sleeping" phases during certain games; when they finally score they seem to collectively wake up and go, "oh yeah, we CAN play, just remembered."
  13. But they certainly didn't have that attitude in WW2 when they fought the Italians...they prevented them from entering Greece.
  14. I agree; especially what you said in regards to Slovakia and the last paragraph.
  15. We CAN play more attacking/creative football with the right combination of players and a coach that knows how to instill a positive mentality with the team. Its about creating a unit that has such great communication they don't even have to think about it or second guess. A coach that knows what he's doing would have the team perform as a collective as opposed to a group of individuals or egos. He would say, " We can face any opposition because no team in the world is unbeatable. We can transform into anything we want accordingly. We will attack. We will defend. We will be diamond shaped, triangular, circular, tough, soft, slow, fast; WE are in the drivers seat. We will do this with a calm confidence, because we know we have the ability." I don't know if Santos is speaking like that to the team!
  16. I've been thinking about this lately, how the National Team is an extension of society, but more in terms of how the team is being managed. If its a group of guys who make sure their friends get to play no matter if they're under-performingor they don't have a club team, then there you go, we can complain all we want about the right tactics; if the core problem isn't solved then its the same pattern. Look at all the recent problems with the club teams.
  17. Fair enough. I don't like Santos either. At least with Otto, we had an identity. The same nonsense with geroi continues under Santos, so what is he good for? We did reasonably well at the Euro, by drawing Poland in a game where the refs screwed us, but we also didn't wake up until we were down 1-0, we lost to the Czechs because we didn't play the first 10 minutes, and we got lucky against Russia. No shame in losing to Germany, but the 4-2 scoreline in that game was kind to us. The way I see it, the only remotely tough(and crucial) game we have left is when we visit the Bosnians. The Bosnians have a huge GD, if we're tied with them on points they beat us. Yeah we had an identity w/ Otto up until about 2006; after that it was a joke, he was getting paid well and just didn't care, did NOTHING with the team. We should have an identity now but we don't and thats the coaches fault. Actually we should not have lost to Germany by that score; in fact we could have beaten them had he used the right players. Germanys offense was good; their defense was nothing special though. So common sense says take advantage of their weaknesses. How do you do that? By playing your best offensive players, which Santos did NOT DO. Our "sit back" attitude wouldn't be there with more attacking players. The performance in Bosnia was nothing special. We shouldn't be just getting by against teams like Slovakia, we should use the opportunity to score a lot of goals so we finish comfortably on top. Gekas was magically invisible in this game. Where the hell is Fotakis?
  18. Remember they're wrecking Fetfa's career in Greece; if you were coach of the NT by calling him you would be saving his career.
  19. I'm not denying the chances that were created in this game and the bad luck but if he had started guys like Ninis think of how many more chances we would have had that certainly would have resulted in a goal! And if I were coach I would say to OLY screw you, I'm playing Fetfa no matter what because I know the guys ability. If they don't give him the playing time then I WILL. That said, if I had to use the players that were called up for this game I would have started Ninis in the middle, Tziolis behind him, Salpi where he does best as a right winger, Fortounis on the left and Samaras/Mitro up front.
  20. Not the end of the world but pretty much the end for Greece. The people who are running the NT are apparently a bunch of clowns who treat it like its a gang. Is that what they are? Gangsters? No matter what happens to Kats, Santos, his very close friend, will play him. And if Kara decides he wants to play at the age of 50, Santos will play him. I seriously don't think this kind of nonsense is going down in any other country in the world. If you can name one, please do but not calling up a player like Fetfatzidis is like Ghana not calling Essien. Or Italy not calling Pirlo. The shame is we have some really dynamic talent that will go to waste if this sh it continues. I'd like to see them win a WC, and we can do it but the right players have to be there. Its not going to happen w/ Santos! It'll just be more second rate crap football. And we're not second rate!
  21. I don't agree that Santos is not playing Fetfa because of Salpi...thats ridiculous. I don't want to take anything away from Salpi because he is important to the team; however we have no other players like Fetfa who has incredible control, speed, and creativity. Salpi does not have the control; he can't dribble around 5 defenders. I would usually start Fetfa on the right and bring Salpi in around the 75th. Or, lets say we're in a WC and we're about to play a team that you know we're going to beat unless our players are drunk; then I would start Salpi. I would would also bring him in if something is not really clicking with the team and we need a goal, because he can certainly finish. Thats how I would use him; a good coach knows when and how to use the right players at the right time. As far as starting him on the left, I wouldn't even though he has shifted around there before. We have Xristo, Fortounis and Holebas for that spot. I showed clips of Fetfa to people who are very casual football watchers, people you wouldn't call fans and even they look at him and go, " wow how could you not be playing this guy?" I think its obvious. And I do think something is going on, especially with the corruption going on there.
  22. You don't need more than 1 defensive mid player; either choose Kats or Tziolis. On the left you can have Xristo or Fortounis; in the middle Ninis and on the right Fetfa. 2 strikers in front of them: Samaras and Mitro. Salpi is best as a right winger, so you would play either him or Fetfa, but not both. Thats a team that would really put some nice plays together.
  23. Congratulations for the victory and they played like sh it. What do you expect with a stupid starting line up: Maniatis, Tziolis, Kats, Toro; what the f uck is he doing with all these defensive mids?? And against Latvia? Santos has his head up his ass; how do you expect to see good football without creative attacking mids WHICH WE HAVE. Is he trying to f uck things up purposely? And its the same pattern: Start with these defensive guys then in the 2nd half bring in the more attacking players which results in better football. Do you guys want to see this team go to the WC and play lousy when we have the ability to put something really good together? If it were up to me I'd fire Santos immediately.
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