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Είμαι ενήμερος Γιάγκο κι ευχαριστώ. Εσύ αντιλαμβάνεσαι ποια καμπανάκια σου κρούουν αυτά που διάβασες; Γιατί αύριο-μεθαύριο δεν θα είναι μόνο ο Ηρακλής, η ΑΕΚ, ο ΄Αρης ή ο ΠαναθηναΪκός που θα ζητούν από τη ΦΙΦΑ αυτό που αξιώνεις εσύ για τον Άρη. Και μέτρα τη ζημιά να δεις για τι ζημιά μιλάμε για τη κυρά-Κική...

Στο μόνο που δίνω δίκιο είναι ένα. Μακάρι να τη πληρώσει και ο Ολυμπιακός κι όλοι όσοι στηρίζουν την παράγκα. Αλλά τότε μόνοι μας θα παίζουμε... Και δεν λέει...

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After nearly 40 years, I’m just about done with Greek football. The depths of corruption are just disgusting. 

What I do know is that the govn't is trying to stabilize the economy and streamline reforms while dealing with external threats in the eastern med. Unfortunately, sport and politics seem to go togethe

Documentary about Akpom, pretty good watch:  

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Yiankos is exactly right. It is one of the reasons this whole farce was set up. It is to save Olympiakos's ass in case they lose the match fixing case. That case is finally going to court after many years of delay and Marinakis with the help of the government is taking precautions. Any point deductions along the way will be a bonus. The other main reason of course is to force Savvidis to abandon PAOK and leave the country. Let's not forget that USA is not that happy with Russian investments in Greece, and now they have a an ally in the new Greek government.

I see it as a miracle that the government acted right away and in one day is trying to pass a law that relegation is not the correct punishment, and the more suitable solution is points deductions. They even saying PAOK should get -6 and Xanthi -10. This was their goal from the beginning. This is a master plan that was put into motion immediately when the new government took office. This is to reward Marinakis who has been supporting the New Democracy party financially. 

As AchillesHeel points out, PAOK should call their bluff and fight this until the end even it means relegation in the end. 

 

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The whole thing is a joke. To be honest I am a bit disappointed nobody saw this coming (even myself). They really are like those Romanian gypsies you see at tourist spots like the Eiffel Tower or Big Ben (playing εδω ο παππάς, εκεί ο παππάς). Sometimes you can only sit back and admire their abiity to pull such a con. The whole thing was a set up to save themselves going forward while making PAOK look like the bad one. ΝΔ them came forward and 'saved' us by changing the law - this was the aim the whole time while ensuring a point deduction to give them the league.

I would like PAE PAOK to come forward and reject the proposal for change in law and ask for proof that we are guilty. If we are then relegate us otherwise things stay as they are and we go to court.

They really can't handle a third season without a trophy. Aris fans are ecstatic that their main investor is getting his way and that PAOK will not win the title thi year. Honestly it is things like this that make me realise that modern Greeks are probably right down there with Albanians and Slavs etc. We have absolutely nothing in common with our ancient ancestors. I have always heard the phrase like "Ούτε στην Ουγκάντα/Κολομβία δεν γίνοται αυτα". I would say that people in Uganda or Colombia now probably say "Μη γίνουμε σαν την Ελλάδα!"

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Relegation or death! ?

Not sure if -5 points will be enough for Olympiakos to win the league. ?

Sidenote: I thought maybe Mitsotakis being from a different generation and after what Greece has been through since 2008 might do things differently.  Whatever good will he had has all been flushed down the toilet.  He’s crapped on half of Thessaloniki and for what ?

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I really hope that our fans don't decide to take matters in their own hands and become destructive during the next few matches especially against olympiakos next month. Last thing we want is point deduction for fan violence. This is exactly what olympiakos would want

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10 hours ago, almand said:

Είμαι ενήμερος Γιάγκο κι ευχαριστώ. Εσύ αντιλαμβάνεσαι ποια καμπανάκια σου κρούουν αυτά που διάβασες; Γιατί αύριο-μεθαύριο δεν θα είναι μόνο ο Ηρακλής, η ΑΕΚ, ο ΄Αρης ή ο ΠαναθηναΪκός που θα ζητούν από τη ΦΙΦΑ αυτό που αξιώνεις εσύ για τον Άρη. Και μέτρα τη ζημιά να δεις για τι ζημιά μιλάμε για τη κυρά-Κική...

Στο μόνο που δίνω δίκιο είναι ένα. Μακάρι να τη πληρώσει και ο Ολυμπιακός κι όλοι όσοι στηρίζουν την παράγκα. Αλλά τότε μόνοι μας θα παίζουμε... Και δεν λέει...

Εσύ αντιλαμβάνεσαι ότι η κυρα-Κική είναι η μόνη που έχει πληρώσει; Όλες τις ρυθμίσεις και τις ιστορίες Βενιζέλου και άρθρα 44 και 99 και τα λοιπά, έχει μπει και η δική σου ομάδα, αλλά θέλεις να το παίζεις οσία παρθένα. Ο Σαββίδης πλήρωσε το αρχικό χρέος χωρίς τις προσαυξήσεις. Κάτι που δεν έκανε κανείς. Τέλος πάντων...

Θέλεις να την πληρώσει ο Ολυμπιακός; Τότε φίλε μου υποστηρίζεις λάθος ομάδα, γιατί η πολιτική της ΠΑΕ σου τα τελευταία 6-7 χρόνια, πριν ακόμα αναλάβει ο μέγιστος ηγέτης Καρύπαρος, ήταν από φιλική έως την αηδία που κατήντησε από όταν ανέβηκε στην Α' Εθνική προς την ομάδα του Πειραιά. Δεν είδα κανέναν θούπερ 3 ή καμία ΠΑΕ Άρης "Ο ΑΡΗΣ" να βγάλει ανακοίνωση για τα στημένα, την εγκληματική οργάνωση, τα λευκά πόλο, τους τραμπουκισμούς διαιτητών και το "ήθος" που κατά καιρούς διδάσκει ο θρύλος. Οπότε τα κροκοδείλια δάκρυα ότι θέλεις να την πληρώσει ο Ολυμπιακός άστα γι' αυτούς που δεν ξέρουν.

Είμαστε σε πόλεμο και δεν είσαι ούτε στη μέση, ούτε ουδέτερος. Είσαι η μύξα του Ολυμπιακού. Μαγκιά σου. Δεν με απασχολείς. Εγώ θέλω τον Σαββίδη να πουλήσει τρέλα και να γίνει της πόπης. Και ο κόσμος να καθίσει φρόνιμος στα παιχνίδια για να μην δώσουμε κανένα δικαίωμα. Βέβαια, με τον Μαρινάκη πρωθυπουργό και τον ΠΑΟΚ να έχει ήδη ηττηθεί κατά κράτος στα δικαστήρια όπου του έκλεψαν ένα πρωτάθλημα, οι πιθανότητες δεν είναι με το μέρος μας. Όχι γιατί είμαστε ένοχοι (αυτό δεν το ξέρω), αλλά γιατί υστερούμε σε δικηγόρους και λαμόγια που κινούνται στις σκιές.

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Massive s%$#! show in Greece the last few hours with Parliament passing the vote for points deduction and no relegation HOWEVER it’s reported that, been mid season, it would need EPO to get approval from FIFA who hopefully can come in and add some competence and reason to this circus that is Greek football 

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Yep, democracy in action.  As for FIFA ha ha, the same organisation that voted for the Qatar World Cup, forgive me for having doubts about their impartiality.

The only way PAOK is getting away with is with dirty tactics if they can find and use something.  This was never about being a fair fight, justice or the good of football in Greece.  That much is clear.

It could have been handled very differently but hasn’t been.  Kind of surprising but at the same time kind of not surprised.

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FIFA won't step in to help us - they never have before. And CAS will do nothing as well, to reference Savvidis' instagram post from about five minutes ago. The only way out of this is to convince the league early.

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Agree pash.  I wouldn’t expect anything from UEFA/FIFA/CAS.  It kind of comes down to who has the most sway over the various teams in the league.  I am not optimistic.

Something closer to -10 points seems the most likely outcome.  -5 points is too risky.  A win in Toumba and all of a sudden we’d be only 1 point behind Olympiakos.  Can you imagine ?

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29 minutes ago, Brklyngrk said:

If PAOK gets relegated, it will cause riots in northern Greece.  That is the only reason why the state did what it did.

No offence but you have no clue what is going on in Greece. I don't know which team you support but this whole thing has been for the benefit of Olympiacos and them only.

Everyone has said that if we are guilty then we should be relegated. 

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What I do know is that the govn't is trying to stabilize the economy and streamline reforms while dealing with external threats in the eastern med. Unfortunately, sport and politics seem to go together.  The government feels that if PAOK is relegated, there will be riots in Saloniki.  Same goes if OLY was relegated, there would be riots.  To have some calm, there are trying to get ahead of this.  I don't like the fact that Sports and Politics are being comingled but in an environment were there are so many pitfalls, soccer should not destroy a country.  Just being pragmatic.

And while I do agree if PAOK is guilty, they should be relegated, I do not think PAOK would accept the punishment and they would start blaming the other big teams.

btw - I support PAO but Greece above all teams.

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The sad thing is that even if PAOK is innocent, we will still get punished. Except for the fans the team has no other support. Even the local politicians who depend on votes from the locals sided with their master who is controlled by the owner of Olympiakos. 

Let's not forget this whole issue is not directly about PAOK. It's a campaign to chase Savvidis out of Greece. 

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Reports are now out that Olympiakos lawyers as well as the press spokesman for Lefteris Avgenakis (Secretary of Sports) met with one of the EEA committee members late at night just few days before they made their ruling. I wonder what were they discussing. Maybe they were they just having tea. 

There is no doubt in my mind that Olympiakos along with the government and with the help of their puppet teams conspired to manipulate the EEA to falsely accuse PAOK and Xanthi.  

 

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Xristara, I think I need to take you out for a beer or two and provide you with a shoulder ?.  The place you took us to in Villa Park was very nice unless you would rather go somewhere else.

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Either way, PAOK will have to prove their innocence, from what I have heard, the financial links are clear but can be disputed in a court of law.

Companies owned by Savvidis based in other countries are loaning to others in his family money to make moves etc... And it's his cousin/newphew that has the link with Xanthi, so it's his money and he would have had to authorize it   - where there is smoke there is fire and you need to realize this.

What is stupid is trying to change what EEA can propose given the complexities of part ownership of another team which as we all know is a massive no no and PAOK only have themselves to blame for that. 

Why all this interference from Parliament to save on ultra behavior is why Greece can not move forward 

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Απ' ότι φαίνεται, τα πράγματα είναι απλά. Αν δεν στείλεις σφαίρες, δεν κάψεις φούρνους, δεν δείρεις διαιτητές, δεν στείλεις λευκά polo και όλα τα γνωστά που κάνει τόσα χρόνια ο Μαρινάκης, τότε είσαι συνεχώς πίσω.

Και όχι μόνο θα βγούμε διεφθαρμένοι, αλλά θα μας κλέψουν ακόμη ένα πρωτάθλημα.

Θα έβγαζε συμπληρωματική ανακοίνωση ο Αρετόπουλος πρόπερσι που έφυγε ο Ολυμπιακός από την Τούμπα για να πάρει το ματς στα χαρτιά; Θα έβγαζε ψεύτικες γνωματεύσεις το κάθε τσουτσέκι στο Διαβαλκανικό για δήθεν τραυματισμό του Γκαρσία; Σφαίρες κύριοι.

Στην Ελλάδα είμαστε και δυστυχώς ή ευτυχώς αυτή είναι η αλήθεια. Τι καταλάβαμε που πάμε με τον σταυρό στο χέρι; Που ήρθε VAR, ξένοι διαιτητές, που αδικούνται και ευνοούνται όλοι; Τα τσιράκια και τα παραρτήματα προσκυνούν τον πρωθυπουργό και λοιδωρούν τον ΠΑΟΚ και τον Σαββίδη. Ελπίζω ο Σαββίδης να πάει full force σε ανοιχτό πόλεμο και όλοι να συστρατευτούμε πίσω του.

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3 hours ago, PAOK_Fan said:

After nearly 40 years, I’m just about done with Greek football. The depths of corruption are just disgusting. 

If you were done, you wouldnt be here. 

Ade paok fans dont speak like this. Salp yourself across the face and paok pan ap ola. 

The world is a farce and the strongest always wins, this is life. 

We will now see how strong Saviddis actually is in his biggest test as Paok owner

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10 hours ago, Alphonse said:

Either way, PAOK will have to prove their innocence, from what I have heard, the financial links are clear but can be disputed in a court of law.

Companies owned by Savvidis based in other countries are loaning to others in his family money to make moves etc... And it's his cousin/newphew that has the link with Xanthi, so it's his money and he would have had to authorize it   - where there is smoke there is fire and you need to realize this.

What is stupid is trying to change what EEA can propose given the complexities of part ownership of another team which as we all know is a massive no no and PAOK only have themselves to blame for that. 

Why all this interference from Parliament to save on ultra behavior is why Greece can not move forward 

I don't know whether you're doing this on purpose or whether you just have a complex with PAOK. None of us want the law to be changed. The change has been made to favour Olympiakos. Wake up!

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Perhaps you need to wake up and stop reading posts the wrong way.

My post is rather objective you need to stop taking anything posted by a non Paoktzi incorrectly 

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The EEA Board members are slowly pushing each other off the plank. Ilias Arkoudis explained that Eirini Maroupa told them about Savvidis owning Xanthi as "she went to Xanthi and made the judgement that not only did he have influence over the team but that it was actually his". I am not sure you can come to this judgement just by visiting the city, however Maroupa originally said that she went to Xanthi just for the day for one of her client's court hearings. Now she claims that she stayed there for a weekend and took photos of the stadium and the hotel.

Arkoudis says the decision is based on Maroupa's judgement. Maroupa says that Arkoudis made the case for PAOK and Xanthi to be relegated. All this without any solid proof. If I were PAE PAOK I would take them all to the cleaners as this is beyond a joke. UEFA and FIFA must not accept the change in law.

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