Euro2004 Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 Any clue why he's not playing vs. Auxerre? i think he was drppoed following his poor performance against Cesena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js1000 Posted September 17, 2010 Share Posted September 17, 2010 i think he was drppoed following his poor performance against Cesena i remember his debut for genoa, he had a shocker. yet 2 years later AC milan decided to part with millions of euro's for him. remember form is temporary class is permanent, so i wouldn't write him off just yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro2004 Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 I don't think anyone has written him off, it's just a little concerning because big clubs aren't as patient as Genoa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genome Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Yeah that'd be sad. The guy is class, I think the people at Milan know this to or they wouldn't have spent millions on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro2004 Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Yeah but how highly you rate someone can change very quickly. Signing for Milan isn't an achievement, becoming a success there is. No doubt he has the ability, but he needs to be consistent. He's been dropped for tonight's game against Catania. Nesta and Thiago Silva are the centre-back partnership with Bonera at right back. Hopefully he features at some stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genome Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 How's he doing Euro, have you seen him play in the last week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro2004 Posted October 9, 2010 Share Posted October 9, 2010 Hey Genome, how you doing buddy? How are things? Haven't seen him play for Milan and I don't think he's featured. Nesta and Silva are clearly their first team partnership (even though Nesta is finished and Silva is overrated in my opinion). As i'm sure you know he played tonight for Greece against Latvia but was a passenger for much of the game. Like I said in an earlier post though, big clubs do not have patience. He does not have the luxury of putting in bad perfomances. For instance, Mellberg was very good in the CL for Juve, which were the big games, but poor in the league and he only lasted one season. He then came to Greece and we also saw both in the league and in Europe that he is still a brilliant defender. So all it takes is 2 or 3 bad performances and Sokratis will be finished at Milan. If anyone thinks I might be exaggerating, check out this scathing article on the fans' website MilanNewsIt after the Cesena game. (by the way, i used google translate and have added in brackets words to make it more fluent) "It seemed to be a purchase of the most promising campaign summer transfer market, but at least for now, it was a fluke. Let's talk about Sokratis Papastathopoulos. The former Genoa player has been called into question (after) the second day of the season (when he came in) to replace Alessandro Nesta, not (just) any one. The result is plain for all (to see), beyond the individual errors, the match against Cesena was more or less a disaster for the entire band Rossoneri. Since that day, the greek seems fallen into oblivion, closed (out behind) two superstars like Nesta and Thiago Silva. (There is) No space for him even as right-back, since (he is) only considered (by) Allegri (to be) a central defender. The young (player), born in '88 is still (considered) a valuable resource in the future. (And) The break to play with his national (team), might give him greater confidence and enthusiasm in their own ways of permanently re-launch in red and black hierarchies." http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl...:w%26prmd%3Divn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genome Posted October 9, 2010 Share Posted October 9, 2010 Thanks Euro! I've been fine, how are you? Noticed you haven't been on in a while ... hope everything's fine :tup: ! I see what you mean and thanks for the translation. I hope he can feature again for Milan... he is a great player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pao123 Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 he is starting tonight as napoli play milan...im going to watch this one and see how he does..he hasnt been in the team for a while but thiago silva is injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genome Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 How did he perform pao123? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro2004 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Hi guys, Genome according to goal.com he had another poor game. He received a 5 out of 10 and the comment: Was given a rough time by Lavezzi throughout, but did ok in patches to keep the Argentine from causing real havoc. http://www.goal.com/en/match/48719/napoli-.../player-ratings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pao123 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 i watched the full match and he wasnt THAT bad... the team as a defensive unit was not great...individually he did alright, slightly above a 5, but did not look like the player that he does on the NT... its evident that he is a bit nevous and needs more game time to feel comfortable... i dont take the goal.com ratings all too seriously...sometimes they are on point but sometimes it appears that they didnt even watch the match....most "analysts" have never played football beyond a very amateur level if that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akritis_1944 Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 I saw the last 25 minutes of the match and from what I saw of Sokratis' performance, he wasn't great. He needs more playing time and it would be unfair to dismiss him after the 2 or so matches he has played this season. Napoli's Lavezzi made him look like a right fool at one point with a cheeky back heal near the touch line which went through Sok's legs, but in all fairness the backline of AC is ordinary. Nesta though not as bad as Fabio Cannavaro, is seriously overrated as a defender. His best days are behind him whereas Sok's is defintely in the future. Nesta was the main culprit for the Napoli goal. Sok got to the ball, but Nesta was the one who failed to clear it and allowed Lavezzi to chip the ball into the net. That being said he needs to gain some composure and ensure that whenever he is given his next chance he steps up as we all know he is so much better than his last match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro2004 Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 most "analysts" have never played football beyond a very amateur level if that... Neither has Jose Mourinho though. Don't get me wrong, i'm not arguing with you because I didn't see the game but the general consensus does appear to point to the fact that he's been poor since going there. Let's hope it's just a question of him needing time to adapt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pao123 Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 being an analyst and being a manager are two very very different jobs...sure its not necessary to play to be involved, but my point was that goal.com ratings should rarely be taken seriously... :D these guys are not even first rate reporters... plus, jose is definitly a unique one, there have not been that many top level managers who have not played professional football papa has only played 2 or 3 matches so far for milan...we know he has quality and the right quality to play at the highest of levels...he needs to play regularly and with thiago and nesta in there he will find his chances limited...i hope he starts playing more bc he can excel at milan...i have a feeling he will be a slow replacement for nesta so we wont see too much of him this season...lets hope they help him grow in the right direction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro2004 Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 being an analyst and being a manager are two very very different jobs...sure its not necessary to play to be involved, but my point was that goal.com ratings should rarely be taken seriously... :D these guys are not even first rate reporters... plus, jose is definitly a unique one, there have not been that many top level managers who have not played professional football papa has only played 2 or 3 matches so far for milan...we know he has quality and the right quality to play at the highest of levels...he needs to play regularly and with thiago and nesta in there he will find his chances limited...i hope he starts playing more bc he can excel at milan...i have a feeling he will be a slow replacement for nesta so we wont see too much of him this season...lets hope they help him grow in the right direction... I beg to differ. Most of the top managers played a very low level in professional football (Fergusen, Wenger, Mourinho, Hiddink). While many top players like Gullit, Maradona, Keegan, Souness, have been unsuccessful managers. The ability to understand football does not go hand in hand with playing football at the top level. Can Papasta make it Milan? Yes. Will he? It's 50-50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pao123 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 ferguson played pro level football for 20 years in scotland with including a 2 year stint at rangers where he scored 20 some odd goals... hiddink played about 15 years of pro football playing for psv for two years and two spells at de graafschap for 7 years playing around 300 games for the club and scoring about 70 goals... mourhno barely played and arsene played amateur but became a manager at a young age my point is that its important for coaches to know the life of a pro footballer to help them manage a club..they dont have to play for the BEST clubs, but its important to know the life and day to day occurances...it simply is very good prepartion.. i agree with you that its not a NECCESITY to play pro to be a coach or analyst, but its easier to anaylse the game if you have the expereince from the playing prospective. most analysts think they know the game just bc the watch it on tv once...its actually very difficult to give a grea review and analysis of a match by only watching it once...when managers review games, they watch the game and sections of the games numerous times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro2004 Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 (edited) Ah ok, i misunderstood you. Sorry. You're talking about "pro level" i'm talking about "top class level". I know they've played pro football, but none have played at the very top level. PSV's glory years started in the mid-to-late 1970s after Hiddink had already left. They weren't a force when he was playing. De Graafschaap are hardly top level. Fergusen did well at Rangers but by and large it's known that he was a mediocre player. All i'm saying is that these guys, plus Wenger & Mourinho did not play top level football. On the other hand people like Andy Townsend, Jamie Redknapp, Souness, etc, did play top level football but listening to them talk about tactics is like listening to Nikos Alefantos talk about "etiquette". Goal.com reporters usually seem to have quite a good grasp of football. I'm a regular reader so appreciate the content. Perhaps you're right and they are being too harsh on Sokrati, but the Milan team press seems to be equally critical. Goal.com's criticism of him has continued following Milan's 1-2 home defeat to Juve. He was given a 5.5 and the horrible award of "flop of the match" with the comment Missed two free headers in either half and showed once again he lacks the big-game acumen to make a difference for Milan. http://www.goal.com/en/match/48729/milan-v.../player-ratings Edited October 31, 2010 by Euro2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george21 Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 I'm a little surprised with AC Milan fans saying they would want Sokratis to replace Nesta now despite his bad start to the season. Many AC Milan fans want to see Alegri play Sokratis more often. http://forum.acmilan-online.com/showthread...t=11692&page=34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro2004 Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 Papastathopoulos hasn't had a great start to his Milan career and there have already been rumours about him leaving. In a recent interview he said he wants to stay and fight for his place though and won't be leaving in January as a result. Sorry i don't have a link to the interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro2004 Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 I don't have an English link for this but Papastathopoulos has been linked with a move to Napoli. He's failed to impress at Milan and Naples seems the most likely destination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pao123 Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 came in early in the match for nesta today vs cesena and did a very good job...particularly one tackle against bogdani that saved the team from a certain goal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro2004 Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 came in early in the match for nesta today vs cesena and did a very good job...particularly one tackle against bogdani that saved the team from a certain goal... http://www.goal.com/en/match/50516/milan-v.../player-ratingsI didn't see the game, but goal.com are in agreement, saying he had a good game: Rating 7... replaced Alessandro Nesta in the 23rd minute and did not disappoint tonight. Made a wonderful clearance just ahead of Erjon Bogdani in the 77th minute. Hopefully he gets a few back to back games now and keeps up the good work. I certainly have faith in him. He could be class, but he needs game time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pao123 Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 finally a goal.com rating is correct! sometimes..i think they dont even watch the games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro2004 Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Papastathopoulos' move to Milan hasn't gone according to plan and it has been widely reported that he'll be leaving in the summer. Zenit wanted him but he's supposedly said he doesn't want to move to Russia. Hamburg who are currently 7th and 2 points off of a Europa League spot are the favourites to sign him. http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1956/europe...n-hamburg-radar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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