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I like that line-up

The solution to that re yianko is playing Biseswar as a dekari. Someone quality on the ball who can make things happen playing in his natural position. With Pelkas injured we might finally get a chance to see that happen

And that right there is the Greek mentality summed up. @Tzatziki, we can never take responsibility for what our teams have done. It's always "Olympiako did this but PAOK did this, you guys are just as bad. AEK is worse" blah blah blah. Greek football is sick and it has been for over 20 years. This attitude that all fans have isn't healthy. The people are very few and far between who actually say, yep you know what we messed up Karapappas was out of line. Theodoridis is a senile old man who shouldn't be in-front of the cameras. It's just considered the norm in Greece that these types of people are employed by the clubs. Could you imagine if Liverpool had a personal who works in an official capacity in the club posting on Facebook criticising refs and other teams alike? PAOK is guilty of this sort of stuff too, but come on now let's not act like our kaka don't stink. "You're president is just as bad" give me break re Let me say after all that, it's nice to see a Greek club doing well on the pitch in European competition. I hate that all this other stuff takes centre stage over the actual football. It's a shame but unfortunately it's a reality in Greece. Congrats on your win and qualification to the round of 32

Speaking of the man, nice little article on him https://www.goal.com/en-au/news/ex-arsenal-youth-star-akpom-revitalising-his-career-in/z0amear0p091k29ky6mkmppp

Biseswar as a no.10 please. Pelkas is sorely out of form, even in form he doesn't have Biseswar's quality on the ball. El Kaddouri although a smart player, doesn't have the killer final ball/creativity to make things happen. Stop waisting him on the wing and stick him in the middle. These two games are particularly important for Razvan given how we crashed and burned in Europe. Any slip up in this game or vs PAS and the vultures will start circling over Christmas. This is Greece after all

And so closes a very disappointing Europa league campaign. 1 win from 6. Just awful. Only positive is that we can now focus on the league but still, no excuse for losing at home to Vidi and Bate. I have no doubt Lucescu's inexperience in European competition played a role in our performance. Knock-out football is one thing, but having to go to these relatively unknown places like Vidi is a different challenge all together. 3 points on Monday please paokara

shame, we'll be lucky to get one let alone the 3 we need. We have them pushed deep into their box but just can't score. Still would be nice to get a draw and get something from this game

I agree with pash, our fans are capable of putrid behaviour. If something happens let it happen far away from the stadium, just another sub-plot of Greek football you have to hope your team wins on the pitch and hope no one pings a bottle at anyone.

Important win. Great to have an 8 point lead over Olympiako. We've won 2 out of 4 so far, need to close out the first half of the season with wins against Levadiakos and PAS and we'll be looking good. 2 down 2 to go. Wonder if Akpom's scoring and Prijo's slight drop off in form might pressure Razvan to consider starting the young English lad. I doubt it, but he's giving Lucescu something to think about.

I agree with pash, if the Greek player is better than the foreign one I'll take him. 3 guys i want to get back and see how they go are Lamprou, Xatziisaias and Giannoulis. Lamprou especially is having a great season in Holland.

No doubt in my mind come March Galanopoulos will be given a call-up. Whether he starts or not is a different issue but no reason he shouldn't be given a chance. A midfield of Galanopoulos, Zeca and Fortounis is hopefully what we'll see in Liechtenstein

Tricky draw, could've been worse. At our best we mix it with Bosnia for 2nd spot. We don't match up well with Finland but if we can take 4 points off them we'll be in good shape. Hopefully the boys turn around their form and we'll be in with a shot

Tricky group taking shape. So far it's Italy Bosnia Finland (can't get rid of them) Greece 2 more teams to come

He's having a great season, could have a big role to play for us next season

In his first game back from injury he scored what turned out to be the winner against Ausburg in a 1-0 victory. Much needed win for Stuttgart it lifts them out of the relegation zone. He was subbed off at half-time apparently not injured but he asked to be subbed because he was feeling "flat" after 2 months out and an intense first half. Hopefully that's the case and he can finally get some consistent minutes leading into the qualifiers

So if we beat BATE and Vidi lose we have the 3 way tie for 2nd place, we all know that. Now I'm reading any win vs BATE will do. Not sure exactly of how it works for a 3 way tie but I've heard something about a Mini league being created so basically, it would cancel out the results vs Chelsea that the 3 teams have had. Can't find anything official from uefa, is anyone sure that no matter what scoreline we beat BATE by as long as Vidi lose we are through?

Guys this has been a problem for years. In Greece the NT is and always has been 2nd to people's clubs. Go watch highlights from our 2010 qualifying campaign, same issue then. People just don't care enough to go watch Greece vs Estonia not in Athens or Thessaloniki at least. Save for the 2006 World Cup qualifiers where we were reigning European champions. Karaiskakis was packed every match The irony is when we go on a run and get out of the groups (Euro 2012, World Cup 14) People pour onto the streets waving their flags and celebrating, it's just the Greek way.

What a save Pasxalakis

We already had a lead in that one @Dutch Eagle but I like your optimism

Well that's the worst possible start. Khacherdi sent off down to 10 from the 7th minute. Meh was going to be too easy 11 v 11

he's obviously going to try keep the midfield tight, not sure I agree with El Kaddouri on the wing for this one. Probably a case for Akpom to start over Prijovic as well. I know that was never going to happen but in a game where we're going to need pace on the break to cause any threat it makes sense. The only one with pace is Jaba. Hopefully we pull off a spectacular result. I have just woken up an hour and a half before my alarm was meant to go off, I was dreaming we had beaten them 0-5. You heard it hear first!

Lamia, Larissa, Giannina and Levadiakos. No reason we shouldn't take 12 points from those games and it starts Monday night against Lamia. If we play the football we are capable of we'll go into the new year with a handy lead up our sleeve but still a lot of football to be played. Let's control what we can and take 3 points one game at a time. Olympiakos plays some nice football. What they lack is a striker to finish their chances. We in the mean time have taken advantage of having the best goalscorer in the league and have our 6 point lead. Need to win all 4 of our remaining games in the 1st round and go into christmas with at least this 6 point lead intact.

Not sure if it's a good or bad thing, Chelsea completely outclassed in the London derby a 3-1 loss to Tottenham. So not sure if Sarri will be even more inclined to heavily rotate his squad given they've lost ground on Liverpool and City or will be looking for a bounce back and play a strong team. Logic says he'll rest and rotate. Either way it'll be tough even if we manage a win we need Bate to do us a favour (which I think they will)

Disappointing result no doubt. Once again we are reminded of how much we lack in the final 3rd and in front of goal. It took moments of magic from Fortounis (post) and Karelis (overhead kick) to produce our best chances. It's a bad loss but it hasn't changed where the ethniki sits in my eyes. We struggle to break teams down and create chances when denied space, we know that. We are suited to a counter attacking style of football. You're not gonna get those sort of chances vs Hungary, Finland and Estonia. Qualifying for Euro 2020 is going to be tough but not beyond us. Our key players need to be in form and stay fit and we'll be in with half a shout. Vlaxodimos, Manolas, Sokratis, Zeca, Fortounis, Donis, Mitroglou, Pelkas there is enough talent there for us to be somewhat optimistic moving forward. At least I am.

Indeed it was pao. We were deducted 6 points from that seasons playoffs. I guess not technically an away game given it's considered a neutral venue