teke817 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 @PAOKSYD The criticism of Savvidis is his impatience ... Can you name ONE club in Europe - that plays UCL or UEL football year in and year out - that turns over it's management and/or front office annually? We have not had a manager last beyond April in 4 consecutive seasons. That's a joke. Arnesen said he had a three year plan, yet he was only given 8 months to complete it. That's a joke. Tudor has used 19 different lineups in ~30 games because of injuries and suspensions, yet we blame him for lack of chemistry. That's a joke. It's the owners job to pay the bills and the debts. I'm eternally grateful to Savvidis for preventing an AEK-Aris type humiliation. But football clubs are not - and cannot - be run like businesses. 90% of clubs in Europe not in the BPL lose money every year. It is an inexact science to begin with. Give people the power to make decisions and give them meaningful opportunities to succeed. Otherwise, you are hurting not helping the product. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonThanatos Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 So as long as I pay the bills at home, it's OK to neglect my kids and beat my wife? Let's not give him too much credit for doing WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING! "At least the players are paid!" The Players are supposed to be paid! "At least he's paying the bills!" He's SUPPOSED to pay the bills. How low is the bar of expectation? He's hiring people, and not allowing them to do s%$#!. He needs to stop listening to the fans, and do what's right for the team. Getting Arnesen was a HUGE step in the right direction. We had to unload a disgusting amount of dead weight in players, and had to pay out another disgusting amount in money for all those shitty contracts. This upcoming summer, Arnesen would have had the entire budget to work with We just pulled a Greek p*****a....if Arnesen stayed another month, he was guaranteed another $2M Euros in pay... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Everyone blames savvidis. The guy is paying the bills, bringing in people to do the right job no good now f off back to norway for me Stick to what you're good at. Growing agricultural products and paying the bills. Don't act like a bitch when G4 is looking for a scape goat. We've gone through 4 managers since he's been in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nea Bafra Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I go back to a post I made some time ago. The longest tenure for a coach at our club is 3 years [although without getting specific dates it's hard to tell if any made it that far, Santos didn't make it 3 years but Les Shannon might have] if I'm being generous over 45 years. That is a rezili. Not to mention having a coach last less than a month. Are things more stable now from a financial perspective? Yes. Are they more stable from a playing perspective? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Are things more stable now from a financial perspective? Yes. Are they more stable from a playing perspective? No. So true. So true. You'd think that one would've brought the other but it hasn't eventuated ... yet. As for the managers that lasted a month, are you talking about Beretta or ROFL Fringer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonThanatos Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Beretta was like 16 days, lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Beretta was like 16 days, lol... Must be the football equivalent of waking up next to a girl in the morning, and in the light of day and being sober, she suddenly doesn't look so pretty anymore. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonThanatos Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 IT's more like stopping in the middle of sex, putting your pants on and leaving, lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 Lubos Michel is officially taking over the TD position of PAE PAOK. He's also a PAE PAOK President on temporary basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Wiki says he speaks Russian. Hopefully he doesn't learn Greek. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nea Bafra Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Wiki says he speaks Russian. Hopefully he doesn't learn Greek. Is he going to have time to? How much greek can you learn in 6-9 months? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original 21 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 So Wikipedia shows that this guy has no experience as a technical director or scout or anything of the sorts... This seems like a classic PAOK move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nea Bafra Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 So Wikipedia shows that this guy has no experience as a technical director or scout or anything of the sorts... This seems like a classic PAOK move. He worked for seven years as the "FC Shakhtar International Competitions Department Director", now what that means is up to interpretation, it could be the guy who organises flights when they are in euro comps or it could mean he was in charge of scouting overseas leagues. This isn't a classic PAOK move, the classic PAOK move was firing Frank Arnesen, if this was classic PAOK we would have rehired Vryzas. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Although to be fair, Vryzas was in charge when we got Mak, Pereyra and he also signed Charisis. Whether they were all down to luck or not, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Throw enough turds at a wall, and eventually some will stick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonThanatos Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 (edited) I heard there was a story released about how PAOK got rid of Arnesen after realizing he's a con artist, who conned Chelsea for years out of millions and that he was chased out of Hamburger....just carrying over a bunch of failed Chelsea prospects...and always blaming managements unwillingness to be patient with young nobodies. I can't find it, but it's an interesting "theory". Edited March 7, 2016 by BostonThanatos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Sounds like typical Greek conspiracy talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonThanatos Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 yeah...but there is usually some truth rooted in the rumors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted March 7, 2016 Author Share Posted March 7, 2016 Interesting how stories like that always come out after somebody has been fired. Never before they are hired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonThanatos Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 (edited) The general consensus amongst Chelsea supporters is he's trash. Of all the young talent he recruited, none ever made it to the big leagues....his time at Hamburg FC is also considered a failure by all the Bundesliga reports I've come across. Here's a quotoe from the ESPN article, does the wording sound familiar? http://www.espnfc.us/story/1456592/hamburg-confirm-frank-arnesen-departure The former Chelsea man Arnesen's transfer policy came in for criticism directly after his appointment in 2011, when a number of fringe players following the Dane from Stamford Bridge to the Bundesliga. Ever since, Arnesen's performance has been heavily scrutinised with the club's failure to qualify for the Europa League this season sealing his fate. That was despite being substantially backed in the transfer market that included the ?13 million signing of Tottenham midfielder Rafael van der Vaart. The total transfer expenses added up to some ?27 million, with only some ?7 million generated on the income side. A club statement explained the parting of ways was due to a "difference in opinions concerning the long-term direction of the club". ...and everywhere he goes, he tries to bring his patsavoures along for the ride. The stories have all been there for year....unfortunately the Greek version of Due Dilligence is pulling up someones Wiki page. Edited March 7, 2016 by BostonThanatos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonThanatos Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 He broght Vander Vaart to Chelsea from Tettenham (his Former team), then brings him to Hambur FC from Chelsea, and THEN tried to throw that kourada in our face as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pash Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 I think when we first got him and someone (Boston?) said similar things, my response was "We could do worse than Chelsea dropouts." To be honest, I still kind of believe that. As for Michel - if he's inexperienced, then it stands to reason he should find an experienced coach. Tudor was selected specifically because he was so new; he also had absolutely no control over transfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nea Bafra Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 I think when we first got him and someone (Boston?) said similar things, my response was "We could do worse than Chelsea dropouts." To be honest, I still kind of believe that. As for Michel - if he's inexperienced, then it stands to reason he should find an experienced coach. Tudor was selected specifically because he was so new; he also had absolutely no control over transfers. I think Doxa also said this. In Arnesen's defence the highlights of the Chelsea transfers during 2005-2010 Asier Del Horno Shaun Wright Phillips Michael Essien Michael Ballack John Obi Mikel Ashley Cole Florent Malouda Nico Anelka Branislav Ivanovic Jose Bosingwa Deco Daniel Sturridge Nemanja Matic There are just as many flops in the list but you can't say that he is incapable of picking any decent players. However I do think his strike rate this year was off 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonThanatos Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Were those players already established? I can sign Ronaldo and Messi if you give me enough money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk Posted March 8, 2016 Author Share Posted March 8, 2016 Well Ivan only gave him enough money to buy players such as Cimirot, Sabo, etc. On top of that he also had to pay off few veterans so they would go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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