SL - R13: Panathinaikos - PAOK ( 04 Dec 16, 19:30 EET )

[Blackhawk]

  VS  

MATCHUP:           Panathinaikos Athens - P.A.O.K. Thessaloniki
COMPETITION:   Superleague - Round 13
DATE:                   04-December-2016
TIME:                   19:30 GR  (17:30 GMT, 11:30 CST, 04:30 AEDT next day)
CITY/STADIUM:   Athens – Apostolos Nikolaidis Stadium (Capacity: 16,003)
REFEREES:  
TELEVISION:       Novasports (Greece, Cyprus, Albania, Bulgaria) Antenna Satellite/Pacific (USA, Canada/Australia)

Panathinaikos  vs. P.A.O.K.  history:    

Superleague

2015-2016:  1:1 (Charisis) - Attendance:  8,178  (PLAY-OFFS)
2015-2016:  2:2 (Cimirot, Pelkas) - Attendance:  8,318
2014-2015:  2:0 - Attendance: 12,964  (PLAY-OFFS)
2014-2015:  4:3 (Athanasiadis, Skondras, Noboa) - Attendance:  no fans
2013-2014:  1:1 (Salpiggidis) - Attendance: 11,713  (PLAY-OFFS)
2013-2014:  2:1 (Athanasiadis) - Attendance: 11,113
2012-2013:  2:0 - Attendance: 13,511
2011-2012:  2:0 - Attendance:  3,012 (PLAY-OFFS)
2011-2012:  0:2 (Lino-p, Salpiggidis) - Attendance: no fans
2010-2011:  1:0 - Attendance: 19,800 (PLAY-OFFS)
2010-2011:  1:0 - Attendance: no fans
2009-2010:  2:1 (Vieirinha) - Attendance: 19,875
2008-2009:  4:1 (Malezas) - Attendance: 14,673 (PLAY-OFFS)
2008-2009:  3:0 - Attendance: 26,430
2007-2008:  2:0 - Attendance: 10,048
2006-2007:  2:1 (Zegarra) - Attendance: 21,356
2005-2006:  1:0 - Attendance: 21,358

Alpha Ethniki (Professional)

2004-2005:  2:1 (Andralas) - Attendance: 11,001
2003-2004:  3:0 - Attendance: 9,685
2002-2003:  1:0 - Attendance: 13,620
2001-2002:  1:2 (Okkas, Konstantinidis) - Attendance: 10,337
2000-2001:  5:2 (Georgiadis-p, Nalitzis) - Attendance: 9,914
1999-2000:  1:1 (Nagbe) - Attendance: ? (4,000 PAOK fans present)
1998-1999:  0:1 (Frantzeskos) - Attendance: ?
1997-1998:  3:1 (Maragos) - Attendance: ?
1996-1997:  5:0 - Attendance: ?
1995-1996:  2:0 - Attendance: ?
1994-1995:  3:0 - Attendance: ?
1993-1994:  2:0 - Attendance: ?
1992-1993:  5:0 - Attendance: ?
1991-1992:  5:1 (Toursounidis-p) - Attendance: ?
1990-1991:  3:0 (?) - Attendance: ? (This is the game where PAOK owner Thomas Voulinos took the team off the field in the 77^th minute due to biased officiating by the ref Karamanis, who has shown red cards to Skartados and Magdi. PAOK lost the game on paper and was deducted 3 points from the standings.
1989-1990:  2:2 (Lagonidis, Malioufas) - Attendance: ?
1988-1989:  1:0 - Attendance: ?
1987-1988:  2:1 (Alexandridis) - Attendance: ?
1986-1987:  0:0 - Attendance: ?
1985-1986:  5:0 - Attendance: ?
1984-1985:  0:1 (Paprica) - Attendance: ? (8,000 fans in attendance)
1983-1984:  0:0 - Attendance: ?
1982-1983:  2:0 - Attendance: ?
1981-1982:  2:1 (Dimopoulos) - Attendance: ?
1980-1981:  0:0 - Attendance: ?
1979-1980:  0:0 - Attendance: ?

Alpha Ethniki (Amateur/Semi-Professional)

1978-1979:  2:2 (Kermanidis, Kostikos) - Attendance: ?
1977-1978:  0:0 - Attendance: ?
1976-1977:  0:0 - Attendance: ?
1975-1976:  1:1 (Anastasiadis) - Attendance: ?
1974-1975:  1:1 (Sarafis) - Attendance: ?
1973-1974:  3:2 (Terzanidis, Tsakiropoulos)) - Attendance: ?
1972-1973:  0:2 (forfeit) - Attendance: ?
1971-1972:  1:0 - Attendance: ?
1970-1971:  3:0 - Attendance: ?
1969-1970:  1:1 (Afentoulidis) - Attendance: ?
1968-1969:  2:0 - Attendance: ?
1967-1968:  1:0  - Attendance: ?
1966-1967:  0:0 - Attendance: ?
1965-1966:  2:0 - Attendance: ?
1964-1965:  2:0 - Attendance: ?
1963-1964:  4:0 - Attendance: ?
1962-1963:  2:1 (Giakoumis) - Attendance: ?
1961-1962:  3:1 (Leandros) - Attendance: ?
1960-1961:  2:0 - Attendance: ?
1959-1960:  1:0 - Attendance: ?

Panhellenic Championship

1958-1959:  3:0 - Attendance: ?
1957-1958:  2:2 (?)- Attendance: ?
1956-1957:  3:1 (?) - Attendance: ?
1955-1956:  3:1(?) - Attendance: ?
1954-1955:  3:2 (?) - Attendance: ?
1953-1954:  1:0 - Attendance: ?
1936-1937:  2:0 - Attendance: ?
1935-1936:  6:1 (?) - Attendance: ?
1931-1932:  2:1 (?)- Attendance: ?
1930-1931:  7:1(?) - Attendance: ?

GAMES:   73
WINS:        5
TIES:        17
LOSSES:  51

 

 

 

[pash]

Rodrigues and Pelkas apparently are fine and available. Pereyra is also available for this match.

[Blackhawk]

Canas will play as well despite his red card. 

[Blackhawk]

Pereyra and Glykos have been ruled out of the game due to injuries. Of course Tzavellas is out as well and will not play against his future team (as rumored by the press).

Bad thing for PAOK is that Panathinaikos got new coach, and it's somebody who has given PAOK problems in the past with the teams that he was coaching.

[pash]

Full list of players:

 

Μπρκιτς, Βελλίδης, Λέοβατς, Μάτος, Κίτσιου, Κρέσπο, Πούγγουρας, Βαρέλα, Μαλεζάς, Χαρίσης, Τσίμιροτ, Κάνιας, Σάκχοφ, Μπίσεσβαρ, Πέλκας, Μυστακίδης, Τιάμ, Αθανασιάδης, Κουλούρης, Κάμπος, Ροντρίγκες

[italosPAOK4]

pame gia th nikh kai tous 3 ba8mous apla ki wraia giati PAOK EISAI ! 

[teke817]

let's see how the team responds today ... this will say a lot about the state of the locker room and Ivic's ability as manager.

I wish Pelka was starting over Shakov but otherwise the lineup is no surprise 

[Yiankos]

Αν χάσουμε την επόμενη αγωνιστική παίζουμε ντέρμπι με τον Πλατανιά για να ξεφύγουμε από τη ζώνη υποβιβασμού!

[teke817]

if you guys find any decent stream links plz let me know ... i'm waiting to see how LiveTV fares today

[pash]

Wasn't there some sort of issue with getting this game televised on PAO's side? Just got home, looking for links now.

[pash]

Here's one: http://live.shwidget.com/static/freeplayer/4251752041402470.html

[pash]

Poor passing on our part, Berg nearly got through just now...

[teke817]

so far this game lacks any flow ... i can see why the over/under was just 1.8

[teke817]

Hult just body checks Campos in the back and the ref says play on ... this dude is showing his inexperience ... several missed calls just this half

[teke817]

this half can't end soon enough for us ... PAO is all of a sudden getting the ball into dangerous areas

[pash]

Matos is starting to get frustrated, he's got to keep that in check.

[teke817]

1 minute ago, pash said:

Matos is starting to get frustrated, he's got to keep that in check.

I just hate to see Brazilian-on-Brazilian confrontations in these times of mourning ...

we can't realistically want to win this game if we continue to play deep and hope to catch lightning on the counter .. Ivic needs to be less conservative this is not a very talented PAO side. 

[pash]

He might have just heard you - Biseswar in for Shakhov

[pash]

Brkic caught spectating, now this lackadaisical attitude finally caught up to the team.

[teke817]

that's unforgivable to be caught flat footed like that ... if you let one of those in at practice, everyone gives you s%$#!, and you do it in a game?? jesus.

both teams are entirely indifferent and this is what happens ... this is beyond frustrating. 

Edited December 4, 2016 by teke817

[pash]

Klaus preparing to come on. If there ever was a time for him to find his mojo, this is it.

[teke817]

After Trikala and now this lazy performance, it's fair to ask if Ivic has any support in the locker room after Atromitos/Tzavellas-gate. 

 

[pash]

Moledo looks like the guy from The Mummy.

[Bananas]

4 hours ago, teke817 said:

After Trikala and now this lazy performance, it's fair to ask if Ivic has any support in the locker room after Atromitos/Tzavellas-gate. 

 

I don't think that's the issue.  I think it's really as simple as we just struggle against teams that play defensively.  Ivic himself has a conservative mindset in the mold of Santos i.e. defence first.  Which is fine except that in the GSL most of our opponents play the same way.

I've noticed that Ivic favours straight 3 in the middle (Canas, Cimirot, Shakhov) for the "tough" games and he did that today.  I get it, play safe.  Don't allow the opposition space.  It's still a derby.  Grab a goal and you're away.  If we scored first it could have been a different game.  Plan B ?  Throw on an unfit Biseswar.  If the wings aren't firing or there is a lack space because the opposition sit deep it's difficult.  

Our defence is actually quite solid this season.  The best in a long time.  The bad games defensively this season were against Qarabag away and Atromitos which was just a freak event.  Some people have the philosophy that you shouldn't concede silly goals, but every team does.  It's just the way it is.  I watched Juventus last week who are a great team concede 3 goals in 20 minutes to Genoa.  These things happen.  There's nothing wrong as such with conceding but when you can't score then it's a problem!

Moving forward we just don't currently have the quality required in the number 8 and number 10 position.  Striker is a problem too but I'd try to fix the middle first.  Get me a "Canas" quality number 8 and number 10 and this teams lifts 300%.  Easier said than done though.

But I'm rambling.  Does Ivic have the players support ?  Who knows.  Will Ivic last ?  I doubt it.  Savvidis will be going for 5 for 5 (5 managers in 5 seasons) I'm sure.

Edited December 5, 2016 by Bananas

[Bananas]

50 minutes ago, OlympicHellas said:

How has dropping Glykos and Tzavellas helped you boys? Sure its helped Ivic's ego, but you guys are for the tip as a club allowing Ivic to take you down with him.

Ivic cannot coach and he cannot manage a dressing room, more than likely you will get rolled by Mlian Baros and co on Thursday as well

Glykos is injured and is completely unrelated to the Tzavellas situation, expect for in the conspiracy theory alternate universe.

Regarding Tzavellas, he can go f--k himself and even if Ivic is 500% in the wrong, I still hope Tzavellas leaves the club.  His performances on the field overall, don't justify the trouble he's made of the seasons, coupled with his mangia klania attitude.  Oust apo do palio rimali.

Regarding Ivic, if we lose or draw against Sloban Liberec or Platanias I think he'll be fired.  Also, if we're not within say 3 points of the play-offs by the break, he'll be fired.  Then everyone who doesn't rate Ivic can rejoice, the PAOK media machine can print hundreds of stories about how we're about to sign the best manager in the world because his dream has always been to coach in the GSL and especially PAOK.  Doesn't every manager aspire to this ?