Grkfreezer624 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 How about a president and a coach now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accor6 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 How about gate7 vs gate13? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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paoboston Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 The problem we have on our team is we have no BALLERS (except Berg) They are extremely fit athletes that beat teams by grinding them out.... high pressure.. nonstop running and tiring out opponents.. There's a reason why our team always seems to come to life at the 2nd half of the season This is fine for the super league but doesn't really cut it for Europe (should have worked agianst Qabala but it wasn't written in the stars) Our team does not have a great football IQ... we have no player to thread that pass and unlock defenses... Ninis is waaayy too unreliable and is either injured or off his game... when he does have moments of brillinace.. they are too few and far in between We don't have complete players... the moment we start actually upgrading our midfield is the moment that we will start performing in Europe Players like Lagos, Ajagun, Koutroubis, Pranjic (in the latter stages of his career) are extremely limited and will need to be upgraded in order for us to move forward I agree with this. The lack of offensive talent is an issue with this team. They have holding midfielders and defensive minded players galore but lack offensive minded players. They should really consider a 10ari type player in the January transfer period because we all know we can't really on Ninis. Unless Lod plays well but he's out for the month and hasn't really played much or shown his ability yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grkfreezer624 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Lod is not a playmaker... he exceled as a winger and would venture fwd occasionally as an offensive threat and score a few goals He did well in the Finnish league but lets face it that league is not very competitive We can bash the greek league we all want... but its a very defensive league and is difficult to score in.... Lod may have difficulty adjusting to tight defenses and it's going to be a big test to see if he adjusts well I'm glad we picked him up.... he's a low risk- high reward kind of player.. but we CANNOT depend on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paoboston Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) I always got the impression Lod was more of a central midfield type. Either way, you are correct in PAO not being able to rely on an unknown like him. They need to find the next Equi for this team. Edited September 5, 2015 by paoboston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grkfreezer624 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Lod is a left footed player whose main position is LW but he tends to drift centrally as well... I think in the U21s he played in the "8" position as well... but i dont think that translated well into 1st team football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paotrella Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Lod was more of a box to box midfielder based on the scouting reports. He does have the ability to score but was not seen as a 10ari. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grkfreezer624 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 There's no point in bringing Equi or Gilberto in the scouting team if no one is going to listen to them.... Anastasiou has built this team mainly out of European based players (exceptions are Ajagun and Essien)... The scandanavians and northern European/Balkan players he brought in are EXTREMELY easy to work with In order to continue team chemistry, I believe he has opted to leave out South Americans who can be moody, emotional and disrupt team chemistry Not only that, but South Americans DO NOT fit into Anastasiou's style... refer to my previous post about how the team is built and what the mentality is... South Americans are not about grit, determination and wilting their opponents... Its more about flare and wit.... A south American player will not fit well in this side.. I mean come on... the closest we have is "Ninis" and even he had to succumb to Anastasiou's tactics... Ninis is GASSED by 60 minutes b/c he is forced to run up and down the pitch to accomodate Anastasiou's system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giourkas Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 So wait, are you saying a pre-injury Sebastian Leto would not look good on this team on the left wing? Or an Eki Gonzalez would not slot nicely behind Berg??? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grkfreezer624 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 So wait, are you saying a pre-injury Sebastian Leto would not look good on this team on the left wing? Or an Eki Gonzalez would not slot nicely behind Berg??? Correct.... they wouldn't fit in.. Thats why leto didn't come... he was vetoed by gianni Under ferrirra they would flourish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
val Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 ^^So what you're are saying is that anastasiou can't manage them? Because both leto and equi were both hot heads and yet via good management, any emotion was channeled in a positive result. Also when you talk about flair and wit, i think you are referring to the players from the past. You find that even the southamerican these days are swaying away from their traditional style and producing guys that are all about grit and determination. Why they do they do this? To sell to their european clients. Mind you their national sides suffer as a result. This by no means should discourage any potential recruitment from this region. There must be still some old coaches over there preaching the importance of football fundamentals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giourkas Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Correct.... they wouldn't fit in.. Thats why leto didn't come... he was vetoed by gianni Under ferrirra they would flourish I don't buy your reasoning. Gianni may have vetoed him but probably because of his bum knee. Not because he wouldn't fit his system. Leto in 2010-2012 ran up and down the field.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accor6 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 EDIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grkfreezer624 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 ^^So what you're are saying is that anastasiou can't manage them? Because both leto and equi were both hot heads and yet via good management, any emotion was channeled in a positive result. Also when you talk about flair and wit, i think you are referring to the players from the past. You find that even the southamerican these days are swaying away from their traditional style and producing guys that are all about grit and determination. Why they do they do this? To sell to their european clients. Mind you their national sides suffer as a result. This by no means should discourage any potential recruitment from this region. There must be still some old coaches over there preaching the importance of football fundamentals. Not necessarily saying hey can't manage a team with emotional/hot headed players... but if he can avoid it then why not... Not only that, but his system is based on a team based approach... not an individual or central player...... Everyone runs for everyone else type of mentality.... Players who can't sacrifice for themselves are not meant for this system.... Players like Leto or Equi are not players that track back and forth consistently.. and require much more posession in order to be effective... they would be phenomenal players for certain system.. just not this one As for the south americans who have become "workhorses" those players are few and far in between... they definatley aren't the norm.. and those particular players that you may be mentioning.. are waaaayyy out of our reach b/c by the time they get to that level they are already at massive clubs Vokolos went down to Brazil for a week and didn't find anything that would suit the team and he left empty handed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamiara ole Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) We have players who have: no flair no fantasia no determination no innovation no instinct no ambition no motivation no skills no willingness! Should I go on? We need players whop possess all the above! We can easily find them in South America. Rocha has the eye for those players. Now! If Dutch knocklehead yiannis cannot fit them in there?he should part ways! We cannot afford to have one sided players with only one skill?running! Basically like chicken with their heads cut off most of the times! Mindless! The Dutch model got a HUGE SLAP today in Turkey by the neighbours! They simply F@ck them BAAAAAAAD! Let Rocha do his work! He has accomplished much more that yiannakis has all those years with the team! Edited September 7, 2015 by Lamiara ole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
val Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) @freezer Question is whether anastasiou has adopted such a strategy because this is what he truly believes in or has resulted to this approach because he doesn't have players of this quality. The other thing worth noting, is that gianni was the type of player that lacked technique. Now i'm not saying that he doesn't appreciate natural ability when he sees it, but many former players that go on to manage adopt a style that resembled them as players. We have seen this with guardiola who was a passing CM and simeoni who played with mental toughness and contributed to multiple phases of the game. Regardless of any system, i truly believe you need balance. You need guys like zeca with preferably a little more technique on the ball, just as much as you need difference makers like equi and leto. Say we had chori on this side, you wouldn't ask him to waste energy chasing the ball but rather conserve his energy to go to work with the ball. Not everyone has to run. It's this idea which has killed the game today and victimized the more creative guys, the same guys which bail you out against resilient opposition. I don't see why a side can't defend with say seven players back, after all keeping a few players up front, in turn makes the opposition think twice about committing more players forward. As for vokolo going to brazil, i can't remember us ever having great players from brazil. Our love affair has always been with Argentina. Edited September 7, 2015 by val Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paotrella Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 ^^^^ apart from Gilberto Silva, you are right: - Anderson - Paolo Souza - Cleyton - Gabriel - Bovio ? a few that come to mind..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paoboston Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Sousa was Portuguese, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grkfreezer624 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 @freezer Question is whether anastasiou has adopted such a strategy because this is what he truly believes in or has resulted to this approach because he doesn't have players of this quality. The other thing worth noting, is that gianni was the type of player that lacked technique. Now i'm not saying that he doesn't appreciate natural ability when he sees it, but many former players that go on to manage adopt a style that resembled them as players. We have seen this with guardiola who was a passing CM and simeoni who played with mental toughness and contributed to multiple phases of the game. Regardless of any system, i truly believe you need balance. You need guys like zeca with preferably a little more technique on the ball, just as much as you need difference makers like equi and leto. Say we had chori on this side, you wouldn't ask him to waste energy chasing the ball but rather conserve his energy to go to work with the ball. Not everyone has to run. It's this idea which has killed the game today and victimized the more creative guys, the same guys which bail you out against resilient opposition. I don't see why a side can't defend with say seven players back, after all keeping a few players up front, in turn makes the opposition think twice about committing more players forward. As for vokolo going to brazil, i can't remember us ever having great players from brazil. Our love affair has always been with Argentina. I truly think Anastasiou believes in the "TOTAL FOOTBALL" mentality which is based off an entire team moving up and down the pitch as one... this system requires EXTREMELY fit athletes that can run all day/night.... Now ideally, in this system, you would have very well skilled/technical players as well that could equally contribute to the attack and defense... however in circumstances where technical ability is lacking, you can make up for it with aggression and possession That's what Anastasiou has done... only 10-15 teams in the world can player "TOTAL FOOTBALL" as it was originally developed... what Anastasiou has done is tweeked it to his own liking and to accomodate our squad... Basically, what we see, is what we get from the team Regardless, I truly do think this team will put up a massive fight for the title this year... even more so now that Qabala has knocked us out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamiara ole Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 You can't eiminate Qabala and you have aspirations of winning the title? Who are we kidding? This team has limited ability to accomplish such thing! We no longer have the stars of the past who won the last title! Gone are the likes of Cisse Katsouranis Leto Gilbero Silva Karagounis! Now you rely on some trianatafillopoulo,bourbo or marinaki to deliver you a title! Are you guys nuts? We are a decade away of winning a title! STOP DAYDREAMING AND COME DOWN TO EARTH! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asteras Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I wonder what rocha could of done if he was in charge for the length of time anastasiou has been given,we must remember under rocha we have reached the semi finals in Europe twice once as a player and once as a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamiara ole Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 ^Tell that to the boys in here who think "total Football" is the answer and praise anastasiou for it! Total Football was played by Ajax during Cruff's days back in the '70s! In case you haven't noticed...things have changed during the last 4 decades in the football world! If anastasiou is a product of total dutch footall, he can go back to holland and apply that as long as he wants it! HE HAS FAILED MISERABLY AT THE PANATHINAIKOS HELM! Asteras I am convinced that Rocha would have done much better that anastasiou! He would have never lost to Qabala! That's for sure! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greekaus Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 That team that Rocha coached in the mid 90s had such stability and cohesiveness with mostly Greek players loaded with pride and passion and accompanied by only a few real quality game changing foreigners on it. The landscape of a Greek football has changed so much in The last 5 to 6 years that now every club including Olympiakos changes squads on the fly like a revolving door every Summer . Now we have foreign useless nobodies or ex has beens who join all the top teams that are out of contract and come to the SL already knowing that their tenure there will be short lived regardless of performances. No coach could do much under those type of circumstances. Anastasiou has lived a charmed life being kept as PAO coach for this long. That's unprecedented territory on Greece. OLY changed their coaches every six months it appears. Rocha with this same team right now ? Good question. I'd say yes just for the fact that these players now might need to hear a different voice and perspective on how to to do things in games. Sound fresh ideas are for sure necessary on this team today. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asteras Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) with rocha in charge for the time anastsiou has had,our roster would of looked a lot different., instead of andoniou if rocha was the technical director we wouldn't of wasted all that money on mellisiis and souza etc etc etc. they trust every tom dick and harry to be the TD but never rocha. the team rocha coached had a Argentinian called Borelli. but it is against some unwritten law at pao that we will not buy Argentinians and we will not listen to rocha. Edited September 7, 2015 by Asteras 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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