cyberfish Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Risking the invitation of some heated arguments I decided to look up the two goalkeepers we have and their games up to today. I'll say right off the bat that from what I've seen this season, I prefer Galinovic over Malartz at this point because I think our team needs all the help it can get in the air and Galinovic is better in this respect. OTH, I like Malartz, and I feel comfortable with him starting. As of today (before the game against OFI): In the SL, both players have exactly the same playing time with 6 games each (540 minutes each) In the UEFAcup, Malartz has played more (4 games vs. 2) In the SL, Malartz conceded 1 goal (from penalty at Asteras), while Galinovic saw the ball four times rest in his net (two of these came in one game in Larissa) In UEFA cup, Malartz conceded 3 goals (two of them against Atletico), while Galinovic kept a clean sheet in his two games. I also looked at the two CBs in front. Galinovic has played almost exclusively (except one game) with Sariegi-Morris in front of him, while Malartz has seen them all rotate (with Morris present in almost all games). So, Overall so far: Games played: Galinovic 8, Malartz 10 Goals conceded: Galinovic 4, Malartz 4 Age: Galinovic 31, Malartz 27 I think we have two very good goalkeepers capable of the best on the pitch, although I think they both have some weaknesses. Maybe Peseiro decided to give both equal chances to see if one pulls ahead. Galinovic has played some very good games for us in the past and now that he seems to have eliminated some sporadic boneheaded plays I feel more comfortable with him. Malartz is an excellent shot blocker who has showed some weakness in high balls in traffic, and I would not be upset if he was a constant starter. I think internal competition for the position is good for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athinaios Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 I'm going back and forth on this. Malarz was great last season with Xanthi, while Gali was not with us. The age isn't a problem for either. For now, I'd say keep Gali as #1. Cyberfish makes a great point about who's defending infront of the goalkeeper. It makes a huge difference! Also, depending on the game.... If you anticipate lots of traffic in the box, then someone who's better in the air and in traffic should play. The same when you play against teams that try mostly shots from outside the box ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pao123 Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 i think that as long as peseiro uses them according to form and our opposition, i am confident with both keepers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsoglani Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 I must disagree with you about Gali beeing more secure with high balls. This guy made more errors when he has to go out for a high ball than i can count. Den kserei na bgainei to paidi. OTH i can remember Malarz having done any mistake himself which led or could have led to a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikosVazelas Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 If u take the games this season , id say its pretty even, but overall i just feel more comfortable with malartz. i dont know why. maybe its the harsh memories of galinovic last year against ionikos, lens, ofi and a few other games where he was directly to blame for certain goals. ive only seen malartz play a season and a half but the fact he hasnt givn up twenty goals in his superleague career yet says soemthing. ps he shut out AEK, OLY and pao TWICE last year, Galino didnt play in one single derby for us last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athinaios Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Galino didnt play in one single derby for us last year. True, and we won them derbies :tup: But, then again, Ebede played who saved our ass several times. I was sorry to see this nice keeper & person go... :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikosVazelas Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 he wasnt as good as his record showed. he also lost to psg,ergotelis,atromitos and aris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBoy13 Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 o malartzt ekane mia apokrousi sto paixidi me ton ofi pou mas esose apo veveo goal! to mono kako tou einai oti kamia fora vgenei poly apo tin estia tou.. sta tet-a-tet leo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clover22 Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 We should have kept Edebe, who was better than both of these guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pao123 Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 We should have kept Edebe, who was better than both of these guys! then how come he is second string at metz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikosVazelas Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 o ebede efage kati goal perisei pou oute o papous mou den tha ta etroge kato apo ta dokaria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clover22 Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 then how come he is second string at metz? Maybe Edebe has been injured? Maybe he doesn't get along with the coach there? Maybe he's been underperforming due to psychological reasons? Maybe the coach at Metz is a bonehead? Could be any number of reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfish Posted December 31, 2007 Author Share Posted December 31, 2007 After the amazing saves Malartz pulled off at Kaftatzogleio it will be hard to displace him again. Interestingly, I found the goalkeeper stats here http://www.galanissportsdata.com/football/...epltot.asp?s=10 Malartz is typically near the top of the table with 1 goal every 20 shots (Galinovic has conceded 1 goal every 3.5 shots on target). Malartz also has better performance in "clearances from the penalty area" with 25, vs 22 of Galinovic. Dum spiro mathaino... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfish Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 I am watching Ofi-Olympiakos and I am very impressed with Tzorvas. Maybe we can buy him back this summer :) In an interview before the game he said his childhood dream was to play in a derby Olympiakos-Panathinaikos. I am glad he found some playing time, and although I have not seen Karnezis play, Tzorvas looks like he has the skills to play at a high level. I opened this topic not too long ago thinking we have two equally good goalkeepers, but by now I have second thoughts. I think we need someone special at goal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athinaios Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 I had suggested that Tzorvas should be called by Rehhagel instead of Halkias. Great talent. But, I believe a great goalie has the initial talent but needs to find the right conditions to become a great keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfish Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 I had suggested that Tzorvas should be called by Rehhagel instead of Halkias. Great talent. But, I believe a great goalie has the initial talent but needs to find the right conditions to become a great keeper. At least the kid is getting some playing time. Pao is not the place where one can develop without being chastised every time he makes an error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athinaios Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 That's what I'm saying. Can you imagine Tzorvas being grilled for the cup disaster???!!! I see that Gali is held (by some) as responsible for a couple goals. . And, I think fans can easily buy the view, "the kid (ie Tzorvas) is inexperienced, he must be responsible".... and, "if we had ______ (insert name) we wouldn't have lost!".... :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfish Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 Today Tzorvas had some excellent saves. At least one was the stuff of a great goalkeeper. I can see him working up towards a bigger team and even the NT pretty soon. I have not seen any other Ofi games though so I am not sure if he is consistent enough. It's his first year though, so I wish him luck. BTW, Tzorvas went to Ofi on a free transfer and is under contract until 1010. We sent him over in exchange for Karnezis who has not played a minute this season. Karnezis seems to have the right body type and height reminiscent of great goalkeepers. I think Galinovic and Malartz are good, but I am longing for the days when a keeper like Vantsik made everyone sleep easier at night knowing that no ordinary play can defeat him. That's why I mentioned maybe we should upgrade the position in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBoy13 Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 At least the kid is getting some playing time. Pao is not the place where one can develop without being chastised every time he makes an error. for some reason i dont like tzorvas.. i would prefer daskalaki from ergoteli or even more mixailidi from atromito for ethniki!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYPAO13 Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Malartz was signed & should be the #1 keeper on this team, Karnezis #2, Its time to move on from the Galino era Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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