adonis Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 I for one have openly said already i am writing next season off and am not really interested in following the team with this clown from portugal coaching us no matter how good he may be... but this senegalese does seem like he may be ok - he is 22 yrs old im a bit worried about the position we targeted however - he is attacking mid - now assuming eki is fit next season this position is eki's hands down for time been (he would have to prove himself id like to think) apart from eki - we have invansitz who can play on the wing but in the centre bovio who is leaving and was a DM anyways leontiou who can play in the middle and left but more defensive tziolis - DM ninis - on the wing victor - ???? theodoridis - possibly leaving biscan - looks like staying but DM romero - winger but who knows if he is staying i mean if we were gonna go get an attacking mid was this really the ideal transfer prolly no in pao's case - why? we are (again) at a rebuilding phase (how many seasons on end can we rebuild) and although youth would be good im of the opinion the types of attacking midfielders we should be targeting are someone who is "proven" and experienced and can lift the team on the shoulders imo karagounis this was the attacking midfielder in my opinion we should of targetted i think this player may show promise or not but lets face it - he is a gamble and the odds are against him when we consider the recent track record of our scouts time will tell of his purpose at pao - whether he will be back up, a future player, problematic and/or fringe player or even a starter the only plus i can see is eki's return is almost like a transfer in itself seeing as he didnt play for one whole yr and if he does play he will be that player that can lift the team bc for all the talent this player may or may not bring i dun think hes capable of it at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsoglani Posted May 21, 2007 Author Share Posted May 21, 2007 I for one have openly said already i am writing next season off and am not really interested in following the team with this clown from portugal coaching us no matter how good he may be... but this senegalese does seem like he may be ok - he is 22 yrs old im a bit worried about the position we targeted however - he is attacking mid - now assuming eki is fit next season this position is eki's hands down for time been (he would have to prove himself id like to think) apart from eki - we have invansitz who can play on the wing but in the centre bovio who is leaving and was a DM anyways leontiou who can play in the middle and left but more defensive tziolis - DM ninis - on the wing victor - ???? theodoridis - possibly leaving biscan - looks like staying but DM romero - winger but who knows if he is staying i mean if we were gonna go get an attacking mid was this really the ideal transfer prolly no in pao's case - why? we are (again) at a rebuilding phase (how many seasons on end can we rebuild) and although youth would be good im of the opinion the types of attacking midfielders we should be targeting are someone who is "proven" and experienced and can lift the team on the shoulders imo karagounis this was the attacking midfielder in my opinion we should of targetted i think this player may show promise or not but lets face it - he is a gamble and the odds are against him when we consider the recent track record of our scouts time will tell of his purpose at pao - whether he will be back up, a future player, problematic and/or fringe player or even a starter the only plus i can see is eki's return is almost like a transfer in itself seeing as he didnt play for one whole yr and if he does play he will be that player that can lift the team bc for all the talent this player may or may not bring i dun think hes capable of it at the moment I think he is not only a midfieldplayer he can also play in forward position and get the high balls which Mantzios failed to get this year and scor often with the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOLLYWOOD Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 his average at best... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar7 Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 yeah great signing!!!mas ferane ton mavro diamanti !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!3 months livathinos scouted argentina and brought back romero worst argentine ever to wear the green shirt. And now this velic has been in portugal for 3 months watching this one player. We signed him from academica,,,the kalamaria of portuguese soccer :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: look how low these...k.unts hAVE lowered their standards. From the heady days when we got kollka from psv, vlaovic from valencia, sousa from inter we sign players from teams that are on par with the garbage that fight relegation in greece. I hope im wrong and he is good ,,,,,,but if he was that good he wouldnt have been playing for 1 x mediocre team in portugal,,,the french or germans would have snapped him up before us :tdown: :tdown: :tdown: :tdown: i understand your feelings, but this IS Greek soccer.. We are not going to sign the best players in the world, because we wont pay & they dont really want to come.. So we are either going to get young players who can hopefully perform or old wash ups who may still have some legs under them.. Either way we're not going to be happy..My only concern with this signing is that players like Gansef who has some good skills will stay on loan to the Levadias & will never get a shot with PAO :tdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pao123 Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 ndaye can play in all mid position apprently...can play on the right, left or middle...i dont know if he was brought in as a starter...he might have been brought in to develop and give some more compeition in attack...apparently he is very promising...we will see... we surely need defenders though...thats what we need to focus on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trifilli Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 My initial reaction was, that if he indeed was the, "apokalipsh", as the Greek media call him, of the Portuguese league, then why aren't Porto, Benfica or Sporting buying him? They must have much better players than him. Is PAO giving him more $$$ ? He may be the "surprise player" for Academica, in the same way many Greek youngsters play well for middle caliber Greek sides. How many of them make it successfully to the top three? The Portuguese league has three very competitive teams, like Greece, but better. The rest of the competition however, is not that much better than what our "superleague" has to offer! All said aside, I truly hope he is the next PAO "diamond" :tup: As long as he is not a "conflict diamond" ;) :nono: PEACE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 All said aside, I truly hope he is the next PAO "diamond" As long as he is not a "conflict diamond" i have him at odds on favourite to become the conflict diamond LOL :LOL: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOLLYWOOD Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 Are you guys sure this guys is 22 years old and not 28?? theres two guys with the same sir-name playing for that team.. the 28 year old is an AMLC, he can Play AMC, MC, AMLC and even abit of striker which is what u guys have described him... His also been capped for his country and is 1.86 tall, only thing wrong with this guy is that his 28 not 22 like the reports have said?? However the 22 year old one is only a striker at best and hasnt even played for his country yet.. his 1.78 tall.. so the question is who out of these two did we really get because the 28 year old one is actually really suprisingly good and would be an upgrade in our squad where the 22 year old guy is like another dembha (god help us all) and is s%$#!!!! P.S can anyone remember romero's situation, where we ended up getting the s%$#! one instead of the good one?? hope its not dejavoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 for starters they are brothers from what I have read. We definately did get the 22 yr old though thats a certainty. His name is N'Doye Dame. The one you were talking about is Ousmane N'Doye who happens to be the striker. from what the press have said etc it seems you have got the facts the wrong way around. The AMC who can play across the middle of the park etc and is attacking, has scored a few goals this season, is the 22 yr old - however i would n ot rule out the possibility of mistaken identity at pao lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pao123 Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 andric is gone..biscsn seems to be staying ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pao123 Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 ndoye will receive around 300,000 a year so luckily he is not expensive...apparently academica are trying to sabotage the deal but it will prb be with no success...apparenlty he signs for good tomorrow.. laporta(who is in greece for the CL final) met up with munoz today as the two know each other fairly well...im sure munoz threw in a word or two about ninis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfish Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Supersport reports that Biscan did not like the proposed pay cut and he is on his way out. Also, the GK trainer is gone and we are looking for a new one. It would be nice if Oikonomopoulos returned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOLLYWOOD Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 http://www.goalday.gr/article.asp?catid=51...=2&pubid=495838 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trifilli Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 I have no problem with signing foreigners like Zajec, Rotcha, Borelli, Warzycha, Wandzik, Henriksen, all of which were great assets and wrote history at PAO. Gonzo, Munch, Olisadebe were better than the available Greeks at that time. Although NOT in the same category as the first group, they performed well and deserved their contracts. How many of the current PAO foreigners are actually better than the available Greek talent out there? On a good day maybe a healthy Gonzo, Victor(?), Ivan... Remember now, Greek transfers, unless superstar caliber, like Salpi, Lybero, DO NOT SELL... How many season tickets would NINIS have sold last summer? ;) We can only hope that the management has already experimented enough to be able to come up with some very valuable "finds" this transfer season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOLLYWOOD Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 whos been officially chopped from the team?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar7 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 who's coaching these players!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfish Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 whos been officially chopped from the team?? I was listening to ERAsport today and Stelios Sareskos reported that:Andric, Biscan, Haralabidis are gone Bovio might go if he gets a better offer from Spain. If not, he might stay. Ebede, Antonsson, Theodoridis, most likely will be gone Kotsios, Darlas might also be released Mantzios, Vintra will probably stay, but if a good offer comes they will be sold. The team wants to release Victor as well, but he wants to play another year. I can't say I would be upset with any of these moves. The team needs a radical infusion of talent, and all I hope is that we'll sign better players than those who go. Munoz mentioned today in so many words that the players tried their best this year but their skills are not up to PAO standards. I don't understand why we are looking to release Ebede (releasing your starting GK does not make much sense to me unless this Benalio guy is that good). Also, I would like to see Victor, Theodoridis and Mantzios get another year. So far, it looks like we signed N'Diage and we are trying to sign Benalio (the Swiss third NT GK, 25 YO). It's early in the transfer season though and much can happen. It looks like we are going to be swapping half the team again though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsoglani Posted May 25, 2007 Author Share Posted May 25, 2007 I was listening to ERAsport today and Stelios Sareskos reported that: Andric, Biscan, Haralabidis are gone Bovio might go if he gets a better offer from Spain. If not, he might stay. Ebede, Antonsson, Theodoridis, most likely will be gone Kotsios, Darlas might also be released Mantzios, Vintra will probably stay, but if a good offer comes they will be sold. The team wants to release Victor as well, but he wants to play another year. I can't say I would be upset with any of these moves. The team needs a radical infusion of talent, and all I hope is that we'll sign better players than those who go. Munoz mentioned today in so many words that the players tried their best this year but their skills are not up to PAO standards. I don't understand why we are looking to release Ebede (releasing your starting GK does not make much sense to me unless this Benalio guy is that good). Also, I would like to see Victor, Theodoridis and Mantzios get another year. So far, it looks like we signed N'Diage and we are trying to sign Benalio (the Swiss third NT GK, 25 YO). It's early in the transfer season though and much can happen. It looks like we are going to be swapping half the team again though... I totaly agree with you that it would make more sense releasing Galinovitz instead of Ebede. I also agree with you that letting Theodoridis go is another false movement of PAO Management. I dont know what to say. The dissapointments go on. Instead of hearing smt like we gonna relese Seric for example we actually only release players who almost didnt play at all. But the usual suspects who made s%$#! the past years will still stay in the team. e.g. Vyntra, Seric, (we even wanted to keep Biscan) .F*** the Management and F*** Vardinopoutanes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfish Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Oh I forgot Seric, Sareskos said that he is staying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athinaios Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Who's making those decisions, again? The next new coach? (Peseiro) Why we keep getting players first, THEN a coach, then we fire the coach, then we get another one who says he didn't pick the team, then we get rid of the players and most likely the coach, and then we start over again.... Gosh, with all the changes, with all the money spent, you'd think we'd be having some success by now... Even the slot machines at the casino have better odds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOLLYWOOD Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Whats happened to the so called greek players we were supposed to be getting??? i thought this summer we would fix our weaknesses (defence mainly) but by the looks of it, its going to be a summer clear out once again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Who's making those decisions, again? The next new coach? (Peseiro) Why we keep getting players first, THEN a coach, then we fire the coach, then we get another one who says he didn't pick the team, then we get rid of the players and most likely the coach, and then we start over again.... Gosh, with all the changes, with all the money spent, you'd think we'd be having some success by now... Even the slot machines at the casino have better odds! I too would like to know about this mentality that a few board personnel, vardinogiannis and velic can decide which players stay, which players leave and who to sign AND then get a coach and tell him "heres your squard WE selected, win us a championship" is greece the only country this happens no wonder bayevic wasnt favoured as a coach bc one of his demands would of been to control transfers etc this mentality is by far the worst ive seen - i just cant explain it or justify it if they want to continue this mentality - why dont they just put velic as coach PS - im all for a football director position only if a - they have an idea - b - they dont make all executive decisions based on one persons idea which is what velic seems to be doing now especially with livathinos given no responsibilities anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOLLYWOOD Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Hey guys, im jst going to be passing some info i got from a portuguese friend of mine down here in AUS... apprently the players were looking at (Carlos Martins, Dame(we bought), Bengalio) r actually really really good/promising players.. in particular Martins whos an MC/AMC and Bengalio who jst recently made it to the Swiss NT... He explained that these players r the hotest prostpect from the Portuguese League and that if we get them we should be extremly happy (all 3 r rated really high)... DAME = MC,ML,MR,FC Martins = MC,AMC (sporting lisbon) Bengalio = GK (National) So after having a 15 minute disscussion with him, i kinda feel better with where our transfers r heading... P.S jst to make sure i went on Manager n checked there stats n wow Martins is really good lol :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drakos13 Posted May 27, 2007 Share Posted May 27, 2007 so wait what transfers are confirmed??? - done deals because we know even when theyre "as good as confirmed" they never are... Anybody else find it stupid we seem to be shopping from the Portuguese League? Were going with the same formula again? Get foreign coach and get players of his nationality for......seriously it doesnt make a difference where the players are from or who their coach is. Because theyre Portuguese wont make a dfiference in the team or ability to coach. When Peseiro leaves this year (not trying to be skeptic, but face it this seems too familiar and statistics are NOT on his side) we have them left hopeless and lost in Greece without the whole reason they got there (their same nationality coach) for them to rot up the bench..... I mean s%$#! after so many rolls of the dice failure youd THINK wed try something different this time.......Velic and the scouting team need to get the hell out of this club. In fact id rather have a whole new management (with emphasis on the middle level) than Ronaldinho come to this team.. Hollywood Im sure the Porto you talked to was telling the truth, but I cant help but point out we get a lot of these seemingly good transfers at summer, and come fall theyre as good as Omega ethniki players as usual......its a lot harder to get excited about signings because really it doesnt seem like were doing something new... @Tsoglani : Theodoridis had a good year with PAOK but lets be honest he was simply not PAO material....he got a few chances and was just mediocre, and after several coaches got to see him in training and none were interested in using him....Id have to say theres some reason behind his departure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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