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If we beat Belgium I expect us to be in the top 30 for sure.

I still can't get over what the fans are saying about him. It's either the Scottish league is very, very bad or he has improved. My opinion is that the Scottish league has declined drastically. While Tziolis has something to prove. Or are we missing something?

Haha what the hell are they on about.

That's good to hear. He looks like a good player. Hope he can replace Maniatis or Tziolis soon.

Fortounis is heaps better centrally in my opinion. He has played many games on the wing for Olympiakos but he is more effective in the middle. He scores most of his goals in from the middle. Fetfatzidis needs to be in the team. He is quality. Klonaridis needs to be looked at. Shame Pelkas is injured now. He could have been useful as a sub. Kaltsas is very good and should be given a chance. Lazaros plays well one game and dissapears the next. That's his whole life. Kolovos is apparently being looked at as an option on the wing.

Tziolis should not be part of the team. He is not good enough. I'm sick of seeing slow passes and not controlling the ball properly. We have Tachtsidis and Petsos. We also have good players in Superleague. Korbos and Siopis for example. Samaris is a no brainer. Bouchalakis and Charisis need a solid amount of game time to be included.

Samaris is the clear the starter in the midfield. I remember Bakasetas and Tachtsidis worked well together playing 1,2s. We can't play wingers who are not that level yet such as Manthatis or Tsilianidis for example. That's why we see Mantalos on the wing. I was hoping Bouchalakis would get more game time so he replaces the likes of Tziolis and Maniatis. Our midfield need to get it together or Mitroglou is going to be worthless. Unfortunately Karelis is not available in the Belgium match as he is a hard worker and runs heaps more than Mitroglou.

Once again Papdopoulos proves how good he is. It's unfortunate as he can't play in the Belgium match. I wouldn't mind seeing our 3 CBs playing at the same time as Papadopoulos is needed in the team. I also wouldn't mind seeing him play CDM.

That's true. We should've looking for RB, CDM and Winger options as we don't have enough depth there. Limnios and Katranis are playing well also. All from Atromitos. How is Galanopoulos doing Amorgo? And what is his best position?

Haha same. I hope he doesn't get picked we got Petsos, Samaris and Tachtsidis to choose from.

I hope I'm entertaining everyone by spicing this section up and making it interesting again.

I know people don't agree with basing it off FIFA 17 when there are over 9000 members which include professional scouts, coaches and season ticket holders. There not all fans. EA sports then finalise the information from those people so it can be suitable for the game. The whole debate was who better between Pelkas and Mystakidis, as it turns out I was right about Pelkas being better. Do people disagree? Also states in the article that they are not 100%. As it shouldn't be, because it's unrealistic, but we can at least see the minor differences and take it from there.

The whole reason why this games has been made is to make it as real as possible that's why some stats are upgraded and downgraded on weekly basis. That might aswell put Pelkas 95 so he can beat Ronaldo and Messi. It doesn't work like that because Pelkas is no where near the level of Ronaldo and Messi. Although it's video game it should be considered a platform to move on from when deciding which players deserve to be in the team. Siopis and Risvanis are the reason why Panionios are 2nd and doing so well. They were the reason why Panionios did really well last season, along with Bakasetas. What is also so smart of selecting Tziolis all the time when Tsoukalas of Asteras has a lot of games under his belt. Along with Kourbelis.

That's true that's what happens. People here are acting like the ratings are obsurd. Yes it's a video game but that doesn't mean that the ratings are make believe. The ratings are based in real life games and the team you play for. There is a reason why Pelkas has gotten called up and Mystakidis hasn't. That's not a knock to Mystakidis as I also like to see him progress and be in the team. Siopis deserves to be called up aswell as Risvanis. Giakoumakis has a lot to work on I don't know if he is ready yet. Skibbe should know that there are 3 spots available. Tziolis has no club, Papadopoulos suspended and Karelis injured. He should choose wisely.

Life is not a video game, but it doesn't hurt to show who is better and it's good know in detail of how they rate players. The majority of developed countries buy this buy FIFA 17 video game and it's one of the best selling games on the market. I was just showing how FIFA rates the both of them as they clearly rate Pelkas higher. No, coaches are smart enough to judge who is better. They should know as Skibbe has called up Pelkas before.

Life is not a video game, but it doesn't hurt to show who is better and it's good know in detail of how they rate players. The majority of developed countries buy this FIFA 17 video game and it's one of the best selling games on the market. I was just showing how FIFA rates the both of them as they clearly rate Pelkas higher.

I hope we can at least draw against Belgium. They look like a very impressive team and I believe they will do well in the World Cup tournament itself. Papadopoulos is out for this game. Manolas and Sokratis have to be on their game or else or we are gone. We should play 5-3-2. With Torosidis and Stafylidis as wing backs. Mitroglou and Fortounis will be the 2 upfront. With Samaris, Mantalos and either Petsos or Tachtsidis as the 3 in the middle.

I don't know why you think Mystakidis is much better than Pelkas. I don't see much PAOK games but every time I see highlights Pelkas looks more effective and to me Mystakidis is average. He has skill but Pelkas I find is more effective with his pace and overall ability. But I also find them both very inconsistent. Here are FIFA ratings for Pelkas and Mystakidis: http://sofifa.com/player/208053 http://sofifa.com/player/216498

I also want him to be part of the squad. I don't know where he would play as I also agree with red sheriff that we need a LW who has attacking flair. Fetfatzidis and Pelkas have flair. Also to mention Bouchalakis was part of that youth squad aswell. He can be another addition to the team like Diamantakos and Bakasetas.

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I hope he does well. Stafylidis did alright. We need our midfielders to have some sort of form heading into the match against Belgium. Also Tziolis and Maniatis haven't played for a while and this is his chance to start.

Tzavellas is 28-29. He is at best a bench option for Greece. He won't progress but he also won't be on the decline in the Turkish league. He is more vital to the National Team than Tziolis.

I just thought id bring this topic back up as its good to discuss and analyse where our Ethniki is going. We all know that the players we depend on right now going into the World Cup are Karnezis, Torosidis, Sokratis, Samaris, Fortounis and Mitroglou. The rest like Karelis, Tachtsidis, Manolas, Papadopoulos, Stafylidis and Mantalos are needed. But who else have we got to cover these players now or in the future. I look at our talent pool and its very thin. Mitroglou is hit or miss some games and Samaris is very inconsistent. Which leads to our 3 main problems. Our midfield, finishing our chances and lack of wingers. We need someone like a Zagorakis or Karagounis who can control the midfield and be a leader especially in defence and attack. Samaris is a good player in my opinion and i believe he needs to play higher up the field instead of playing really deep as he has for the past 2 years. Im not saying to put him attacking midfield but to give him the freedom to push when he wants because i believe he is very dangerous when he is around the box. For example the goal against the Ivory Coast. So i say when fit and healthy have either Papadopoulos or Torosidis play deep. I wouldent even do that i would have all my midfielders crowding the box trying to score but just to be safe we need 1 player hanging back. Our finishing is horrible i have to admit. I think its time to play 2 strikers because Mitroglou is not fast and does not like to run that often. So Karelis should start alongside Mitroglou or even put Fortounis as striker, which allows one of our other talented attacking midfielders to play for example, Kone or Ninis. The more players we have in the box the better the chances of scoring. Wingers we dont have enough of. Holebas could of played LW but what do you do. Its time for Bakasetas and others to lift up there socks and start performing or we are in trouble. I have a bit of hope though because Stafylidis is progressing and is still young which means i have faith in him and can become an even better player. Who knows he might end up being our new left winger. As good as Mantalos is he cant play on the wing. Id rather Fortounis but even he cant be effective on the wing. Samaras is a huge loss and so was Salpingidis. Another thing i want to talk about is will Kone ever return to the national team? Will Fetfatzidis ever return to the team? For now we dont know. But it would be good to have some depth as they also provide a threat when they have the ball at their feet. Also how long do we have to wait before players like Retsos, Lamprou, Limnios, Mourgos, Evangelou and Donis become established players? What 5 years, 10 years, i hope not, i hope its more like 1 or 2 years. Also there is something about Tsimikas that makes me think he can become very useful in this team. I just hope we can produce more depth in the future because as it looks now if one of our staring players is not available there isnt enough talent to cover.

Retsos can play all across the back. He is fast and good in the air. He could be the next Manolas.

Yes we need some who can go forward and be dangerous aswell as be solid in defence. Torosidis and Seitaridis were both very good in attack and defence. The reason being is because they had high stamina and speed. They could contribute well by giving early crosses and support down the wing. They both were very good tacklers as well. Now to the players we have now like Kitsiou, Skondras and Bakakis. Kitsiou is the closest one out of the three that can take over Torosidis. But he is also a very long way aswell. Kitsiou can provide speed and stamina down the wing but is he that effective like Torosidis and Seitaridis? I don't think he is, I also don't think he is that good defensively either.