Dean97

I agree about Mantalos. He is too obvious and looks like he can't do anything. Our best attackers were Donis and Fortounis. We needed Tachtsidis in this match. I saw him getting ready to come on and I was thinking yes we will score or we will win somehow. Then Bakasetas comes on and I'm hoping he would do something. I'm sick of hoping with this team. It's time to play the inform GOOD players or else I'll stop watching. This is frustrating, imagine hoping for the national team to do well and score goals, but to than see them in a full 90 minute game and not score against Estonia. I believe we have good players. Or maybe is it that I want to believe we have good players. Fetfatzidis to me is a very good special player. Fortounis is another one. Donis has proven to be a starter. Tachtsidis is a class midfielder at times. Papadopoulos could easily do Tziolis job. But I am starting to think am I living in a false sense of reality thinking that these players are actually good or am I over doing it by thinking they are better than what they actually are. To me yesterday Mantalos was piss poor. I could see Fortounis getting frustrated with him and Vellios. I'm on the verge of saying I've had enough of this team. We either get inform TALENTED players or we play with guts and run our assess off and drop until we can't go anymore. If we get one of the two I'm happy if we don't get any at all I'm finished with the team.

That's not a bad lineup. The front 3 could make something happen against Belgium.

I don't want to even talk about what happened in today's match. All I know is Donis is a big player for us. He can do what Mantalos and Fortounis cant and thats take on players. Fortounis looks like he doesn't want to be there at times and Mantalos played horrible. I expected more from him and I'm still waiting. Fortounis lifted in the second half. I can't describe how frustrated I am and dissapointed I am. Tziolis is useless. We needed Tachtsidis badly. Zeca was not effective in attack but was effective in defence. Overall the team was clueless in attack.

Donis is our best player. Retsos needs to get involved more but he is doing fine. Vellios needs to come off and so does Tziolis.

Why are we playing so safe? This is already frustrating.

Samaris will start. Donis will be on the wing and Vellios will start.

I would of played Samaris or Tachtsidis in the world cup instead of Katsouranis. Everyone would agree on that. Karagounis was a big loss, Katsouranis wasn't. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. We were all hoping that Katsouranis wouldn't play against Costa Rica. Yes he was good up and till 2008. Then he started being what Tziolis is now. We had a good team in Euro 2016 qualifiers it just nothing was working and we weren't playing as a team. Now it is a different story.

Fetfatzidis without a doubt should be in the squad. If we all agree on this then it's obvious to the majority of people around the world I don't know what Skibbe problem is with him. Maybe he sees Bakasetas and Diamantakos as the future of the team. Pelkas should of been called up he has played more games than Gianniotas. Gianniotas is a good player. The reason why we think players like Tziolis, Bakasetas and Diamantakos are not good enough is because they are not good enough.

This could be the line up against Estonia: Karnezis Stafylidis. Retsos. Manolas. Tzavellas Bouchalakis Samaris Gianniotas. Bakasetas. Lykogiannis Diamantakos Subs: Mantalos, Fortounis, Papadopoulos This gives Bouchalakis senior experience. Bakasetas and Diamantakos showing if their worth to be in the team. Lykogiannis can play LW and defend with Tzavellas on the left flank. Donis and Zeca might play in this match and also Tachtsidis. The match against Belgium is 3 days later!

http://www.agonasport.com/agonasport-allnews/the-road-to-russia-comes-to-intersection

I'd rather have Donis on the wing. He might do well as striker who knows. Bakasetas should be tried up front. If I choose between Vellios and Diamantakos it would be Vellios. Torosidis and Kourbelis are ruled out for the two matches. So we have Torosidis and Sokratis out. I'd expect either Papadopoulos or Samaris to be captain or maybe Karnezis. The question is who will start at right back? It should be between Retsos and Stafylidis.

Not only that Argy they are very good at passing. Better than Maniatis, Tziolis and Katsouranis. There passes are very crisp and strong. What I mean is that the ball travels to their teammates with a fast pace. Also Tachtsidis vision is very good and is needed in this midfield.

Samaris and Tachtsidis are no doubt our best midfielders, whether they are playing or not they should be starting for the national team. Vellios might be talented but is not that good to be in the team.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1636361576374057&id=1828424750 Bouchalakis got called up which is good to see. Again Bakasetas and Diamantakos got called up. Tziolis getting called up is a joke. I can't understand why talented players like Pelkas, Galanopoulos and Androutsos don't get called up. Limnios is another but he needs to prove himself more. Skibbe has called up 27 players which makes no sense. Lykogiannis will not play, Diamantakos and Bakasetas don't deserve to be called up. Tziolis getting called up is unbelievable. Why don't we just call up Andreas Tatos or better yet Fetfatzidis.

I don't think Samaris will leave and go to the EPL. I hope I'm wrong and does but I don't see it happening maybe on the last day of the transfer window. I'm just sick of expecting players to join better teams and it doesn't happen.

There is no excuse for PAOK to draw this match. I believe PAOK have a much more stronger team this season with Mak, Prijovic and Henrique. Shakhov looks like he is Improving and you have got Djalma and Biseswar. Matos looks very good and the keeper is decent. Limnios has a lot of potential. Klaus should leave. Also you have Kace and Cimirot. This team looks strong but Olympiakos has a better team. Still PAOK should beat team like this it's unacceptable. I believe PAOK and Olympiakos will battle it out for the championship with Olympiakos winning it.

Is Tachtsidis injured? Will he be fine for this match?

They are good enough players anyway. It's not like they haven't been training.

You do have a point red sheriff, but you make it out to be that they don't know how to play football. You say it like they are ametuers playing in a local league. Samaris, Tachtsidis and Mitroglou need game time in order to be sharp for this match. What's embarrassing is calling players up like Maniatis and Tziolis instead of Siopis or Kourbelis.

Tachtsidis is injured still. Mantalos should sit out for this one. Gianniotas is a true winger and has a lot of energy. He also has better touches than Mantalos. Retsos starting or not needs to be capped.

Karnezis Retsos Manolas Kyriakos Stafylidis Samaris Zeca Gianniotas Fortounis. Donis Mitroglou Sub: Mantalos, Kourbelis, Karelis The reason why we should use this line up is because it gives a chance to cap Retsos as he is wanted by South Africa. Also to give Torosidis a rest. Papadopoulos comes in for the suspended Sokratis. Samaris and Zeca combo will be used so they can start understanding each other. Gianniotas in place for Mantalos. Donis should get the start. I was going to put Karelis upfront but we need to win this match so Mitroglou starts.

I just saw the highlights of the Forest Vs Barnsley highlights where forest lost 2-1. Bouchalakis has a better pass than Tziolis. The problem is that he was slow in getting back to help the defence and that's what we need and that's what Maniatis does well at. He also needs to put a tackle in when gets back and not just let the defence take care of it. That's what I saw.

Diamantakos came on the last 15 minutes in that match. You are right about Bouchalakis, he didnt play much with Olympiakos but when he did he was effective. His injuries held him back. If he wasn't injury prone like Papadopoulos he would be in the Greek team. Without a doubt. He has more quality then Maniatis and is way better than Tziolis. He is slow though. That's his downfall, aswell as injuries. His positives are his passing, shooting and willingness to fight for the ball.

I hope he will be fine for the Estonia match otherwise we'll have to play either Vellios or Diamantakos. Id prefer to play Donis upfront.

It's not just from one match. I've been saying he is a good player for a long time. Diamantakos wasn't chosen because he played well against Manchester City. Let's see how Bouchalakis does in the next few matches.