Rockafeller Skank Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 On 17/12/2016 at 2:40 AM, Amorgos said: BIG NEWS! Κρίσιμος μήνας για τους μέσους της Εθνικής Μανιάτης και Τζιόλης είναι για μήνες μακριά από την ενεργό συμμετοχή με τους συλλόγους τους και στην χειμερινή μεταγραφική περίοδο μοιάζει αναπόφευκτο πλέον να βρουν άλλη ομάδα για να συνεχίσουν την καριέρα τους ώστε να επιστρέψουν και στα πλάνα της Εθνικής. Μπορεί ο Σκίμπε να τους υπολογίζει, ωστόσο είναι δεδομένο ότι δεν θα ξανακληθούν στη Εθνική ομάδα ενόψει του αγώνα με το Βέλγιο τον προσεχή Μάρτιο αν συνεχίσουν να μην έχουν χρόνο συμμετοχής στους συλλόγους τους. Και δεδομένου ότι τόσο για τον Τζιόλη όσο και για τον Μανιάτη δεν φαίνεται να αλλάζει κάτι σε ΠΑΟΚ και Ολυμπιακό αντίστοιχα αυτό το μήνα θα πρέπει να αναζητήσουν τον επόμενο σταθμό της καριέρας του. Άλλωστε, ο μεν Μανιάτης είναι ήδη στα 30 του χρόνια και ο δε Τζιόλης στα 31 οπότε αμφότεροι είναι σε μία κρίσιμη καμπή της καριέρας τους και αν δεν βρουν άμεσα χρόνο συμμετοχής πιθανώς να αποχωρήσουν οριστικά και από το εθνόσημο… They don't deserve to be on the team any way!!!!! Dont believe anything some article writers say. At least Tziolis will be called again. I really hope we see Samaris - Tachtsidis - Fortounis midfield vs Belgium. We ve been asking for it, lets see if it works now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) Im still trying to find out who should start in the Belgium match Tachtsidis or Maniatis. Maniatis is just a runner and can win tackles. Tachtsidis is just a good passer and smart with the ball. Why doesn't Mantalos play in a deeper midfield position like he did against Montenegro? I also think it's now time to give Karelis more minutes instead of coming off the bench in the last 5 minutes. Give him 20-30 minutes if we are chasing a goal. Edited December 25, 2016 by Dean97 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikitas Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 ^maniatis/tziolis no team , tachtsidis isnt doing well lately and has lost his starting spot , samaris also not a starter , petsos has been left out of trainingscamp. in the DM area we are F***ed at the moment and should look to in form people but we all know that wont happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgelaz Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 torosidis can play dm very well. if we have all 3 of our cb's available we can slot sokratis as rb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) As much as I would pick Samaris before any other player for a toothpaste commercial, the mids for mine should be Taxi DM, Mantalos CM and Fortounis AM. Taxi's vision is good, Samaris' is average for a full match at this level. Edited December 27, 2016 by ausgreek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Karagounis was slower in his later stages than Tachtsidis is now. It wasn't an issue a couple of years ago. Kara retired and the Pirates sank for two years! Taxi played against Hungary and was man of the match. Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akritis_1944 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Karelis' loss is massive but only in theory. Given that Skibbe doesn't use him correctly it makes little difference that he'll be missing. I hope he recovers as it's a serious injury but it's 2017 and not 1987 so if he works hard he can get back stronger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) On 27/12/2016 at 10:36 PM, ausgreek said: Karagounis was slower in his later stages than Tachtsidis is now. It wasn't an issue a couple of years ago. Kara retired and the Pirates sank for two years! Taxi played against Hungary and was man of the match. Enough said. I know where your coming from. Also Karagounis used to be fast back in 04. Tachtsidis has always been slow. The difference is Karagounis would do anything for the Ethniki, whether he is injured, tired or pissed off. He gave it his all and more. Maniatis is like this in a way but is no where as intelligent as Tachtsidis or Karagounis. Edited January 2, 2017 by Dean97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) Also to add the only thing Maniatis has over all our midfielders is his speed. That's why I think Skibbe chose him over Tachtsidis because he can mark and chase down opponents on time and tackle them and win the ball back. This is Tachtsidis only flaws. Marking, speed and work rate. Tachtsidis main strengths are his body strength, passing, aerial ability and his vision. He is very average in finishing, shooting, free kicks and tackling. Samaris is the Jack of all trades and a master of none. Edited January 2, 2017 by Dean97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 It's time to blood new midfielders. Taxi too slow, Samaris average, Siopis too short, Petsos isn't getting a run, Maniati and Tzioli-legend no clubs. May have to pick Bouchalakis and Virus, along with Mantalos as a central mid, Fortounis as AM ofcourse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgelaz Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) This is what I see Skibbe doing vs. Belgium. Not too shabby. Only flaw is Staf and Mantalos are not natural attacking wingers. Maniatis is clubless. Mitro Staf Fortounis Mantalos Maniatis Samaris Tzav Sokratis Manolas Torosidis Karnezis Edited January 4, 2017 by georgelaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 3 hours ago, georgelaz said: This is what I see Skibbe doing vs. Belgium. Not too shabby. Only flaw is Staf and Mantalos are not natural attacking wingers. Maniatis is clubless. Mitro Staf Fortounis Mantalos Maniatis Samaris Tzav Sokratis Manolas Torosidis Karnezis As much as I don't like Mantalos on the wing, he is needed. He works well with Fortounis and their combination is only going to get better. Let's see if Stafylidis can get involved in the play along with Mitroglou so we can see nice attacking football with good passes. We need a midfielder that is sort of attacking but deep lying play maker. Who has good technical ability. Someone in the mold of Tachtsidis and Kone. Who can give a great pass but also very good with the ball at their feet. We can't have Maniatis and Samaris both play, it's too defensive. But I don't mind them. We can't just have Fortounis and Mantalos passing to each other to create a goal, but I know they can do it. We just need a balanced midfielder with a decent winger. A winger that has speed, good passing ability with excellent crossing who can also defend well and come back when he is needed. The closest player we had to this was Holebas. Unfortunately he retired. Mavrias has the potential to be a very good winger, it's good that he is playing regularly at his club. Pelkas is a good player. Out of all our attacking midfielders he would be the best option on the wing. Gianniotas is good and was a player that I said to look out for back when he was at Aris. Stafylidis can be decent on the wing but I think he is better as a leftback when he bombs forward overlapping and providing a cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 More chance of Toro playing as DM than Staf LW. Can't see either bros. Need to blood more mids. The problem is there is too much fear to try things. Amagine that at your honey moon. Skibbe has to show something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgelaz Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I forgot about gianniotas. didn't staf play on the wing last game vs. bosnia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Staf played left mid by memory, he does that. Gianniotas came on later as did Karelis. Need a young fast LW that can cross the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockafeller Skank Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I ve been "crying" for Pelkas to be included in the squads. and every paok fan sais he is not ready yet. He is gonna become the starter winger now that Rodriguez is gone. I hope Lazaros Lamprou also steals the spot from Biseswar, or at least becomes the starter CF of Paok. Kid s got a talent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 The thing is will Skibbe hive them a try. Probably not. Pelkas should be given a go aswell as Platellas. We can't keep playing a CM Mantalos and a LB Stafylidis on the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgelaz Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 we don't even have a wing problem if holebas and fetfa were selected. the wing could've been a strength of ours smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, georgelaz said: we don't even have a wing problem if holebas and fetfa were selected. the wing could've been a strength of ours smh Unless Skibbe gets moved on, Cholevas has as much chance as Fetfa, Ninis or Katsouranis in getting back. Pelkas might do the job on the left-decently. Got Gianniotas for the right side, the biggest mystery for years now, 'by far' is the lw position. Mantalos and Karelis (b4 his shocking injury) are make-shift in that position. Edited January 8, 2017 by ausgreek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgelaz Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Pelkas and Gianniota could work cause Pelkas is almost double footed and pacey. Can't we play without wing too? or is that a major liability? I think PAO did it, but PAO has been playing lower than their historic standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Lazo, I usually prefer the specialists rather than any other scenario. At least Pelka has pace, I'd go with him on the left and see how that goes. One of the boythes mentioned Lamprou, he might go ok LW although, he is a CF first. Reguardless, if a player is good enough he is old enough I believe, at least to get experience in their legs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 I agree with you ausgreek. Although Pelkas is better centrally, his pace is needed on the wing. He is better suited on the wing then Mantalos or Fortounis. Gianniotas is good as a bench option in my opinion. He needs to improve more to be a starter. He needs to be more solid in attack and defence because a winger needs to defend at times and help out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgelaz Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 no way he starts pelkas vs. belgium. he's shown he's conservative and in what could be one of the most pivotal matches of the campaign, no chance unless pelka gets a hat-trick against some big time team at paok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean97 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 That's true. Off the bench he wouldn't be bad also there is a spot up for grabs because Karelis is injured. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausgreek Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Unless Maniatis plays with a team and does well, he has no place in the squad. Tziolis offers nothing and that choice hasbeen dead wood rather than experience. Why not bring back Samaras then, he is better to have around than Tziol. If they don't choose form players, and hit the ground running, they can kiss my ass! Edited January 10, 2017 by ausgreek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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