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Samaris unironically heading for Arabia. There goes his form lads. There goes him tryharding in a competitive league to be selected by Benfica coaches. Zeka is our only midfielder playing for prwtathlitismo in a Championship above Superleague level. Kourbelis injured 6-7 months / year and Galanopoulos evolving into a good player are our only hopes for the midfield apparently, but right now we ll clearly have noone. Yes samaris will be the same talentwise stop BSing me but a player trying his best in training and getting in there with only target to win are what bring form to a player.

As long as we remain pot 3 we are fine. After that is when the issues occure. Next euro will be 10 groups of 5 or 6 teams. And being pot 3 with a mediocre pot 1 and pot 2 team could even see us 1st but big chance that it could see us 3rd based on the current rankings. A theoritical draw at this moment: Pot 1 right now: Spain, Belgium, France,Germany,Sweden,Denmark,Croatia, Portugal, Switzerland,England Pot 2 right now:Italy, Wales, Austria, Netherlands, Poland, Slovakia,N.ire, Romania, Rep of Ireland,Iceland,Ukraine We would be pot 3 So you could obviously there could be meme Groups like Sweden - Austria - Greece but there could also be very bad Senarios like Belgium - Italy - Greece I dont expect pot 1-2 as a total to change much. Big teams will play each other so they ll win even just 1 or 2 of their 6 games they ll stay pot 1-2. I do expect however us being able to take this opportunity considering we re grouped with bad teams, to try and get ourselves to pot 2 , avoiding teams that are pot 1 powerwise and have been having bad results lately (Netherlands,Italy right now). In total we got the biggest advantage to go up in the rankings than other teams in League B who shouldn't be there. They re out of their league and they ll probably do terribly, giving us a shot to actually take their spots. Talking for teams such us Czech republic, Northern Ireland, Ukraine, Slovakia, even Bosnia considering 2 of their 4 good players got retired. I believe 3 wins at home and 3 draws away would be the minimum to do in this group. Wouldn't mind 4 wins either but we struggle with nations parking the bus. And we all know that teams like Estonia will park the bus trying to stay in division C.

Yes they could but they won't change the appearance of the team. Samaris is our DM. TZIOLIS or Zeka unironically the ones who try to promote the offence. Gala and Kourbe will make us look equally bad. Siopis should have evolved but nuuuu.well be shitte next year as well.

Where did it get us? It brought us back from the dead with decent statistics, in a total of only two bad matches out of 12. It got us at the level where it would be us vs eventual runners up for a spot in the world cup Tziolis has definately deteriorated. I think he is bad as well you guys missunderstood me, I just don't find any game changer in the other options. Could be wrong of course but, if I am indeed correct and someone else takes his spot without performing, you ll start saying he needed to gel with the team earlier. If he produces well u ll say I told you so m0l0k0 Skanky. After Christ Prophets pou lene kai sto xwrio mou. Samaris did not disappoint in this WC qualifiers though. We didn't concede any goals from the minors due to a defensive midfielder's fault when Samaris was on. Maybe Vertonghen goal he shares the blame, but you re playing vs Belgium honestly, even Belgium would concede if they were playing against themselves. Tachtsidis is a bad athlete. Talented footballer with brains that suit a regista but he stopped caring after his CV (biography) had appearances in Italy. Could have been a great Serie A mid-table leader but outside football he has no brains to understand that. Maybe with proper wingers we could utilize him but right now he looks dull even for Olympiakos. I ve said about 10 times that I want Lazaros in the team but not as a Starter. And wtf is your argument about Kara/Katsou. It makes no sense at all. Of course Kara/Katsou were more talented. Their career proves so, yet the average Greek fan wanted them out because of age. That's my point exactly. You can't want a player that obviously makes a difference out and at the same time a 34 y.o. player at next Euro is considered key. Why have we spent about 20 days in this sub thread having people praise Lazaros Christodoulopoulos who has one goal with the NT in 32 appearances like it's Skibbe's fault for not using a player that has achieved NOTHING with the NT? Not even a serious impact, just a goal vs Lithuania. His stats are equal to Athanasiadis. C'mon. Gianniotas has 2 goals in 8 matches. Why not give time to a younger winger/atk mid, who is producing equally well in the same championship and is only 24 year olds? I am talking about Pelkas starting. I am obviously a maniac in not wanting Laz to start, but you guys are equally manic to having him start like he is some sort of game changer because he had a good season with Aek. Honestly apart from Mitroglou/Fortounis/Donis(debateable)/Sokratis/Manolas/Stafylidis/Torosidis/Samaris any other player is totally expendable. Stop believing if we put X instead of Y,Ζ it's gonna be any different. There are no other significant losses for the NT. Pelkas spent most of last season at the Left Wing

Bruhv Bruhv Bruhv hold on a minute. I never said I dont want him calledup. I just think there is no need for him to start. considering a number of 6 attacking mids/wings players in a 23 man call up I would go with: Fortounis, Pelkas, Mantalos , Limnios , Lazaros. Possible entries as well are Gianniotas (if he finds a team anyways) and Fetfatzidis. I find Pelkas performance these two years a step above Lazaros. Paok had 12 goals more than Aek this season and Pelkhas was a key player. Add the fact that he is still 24 and has his whole career in front I d say there is no doubt. I repeat. You people are the same who were crying that Santos should have integrated some youth earlier in the team instead of Kara/Katsouranis and now you re baegging for Lazaros to start at nations league? What's the pont honestly? He ll be 35 next euro or at least going for em. Use him as a super sub if you think he can bring freshness and new tactics after 70 but nothing more.

Opinion instantly discarded. This was exactly the Ranieri mentality. We don't even have such a bad team to finish last in that Group, yet we did.

Different position. Lazaros has taken his chances with the NT. Tzavellas whenever picked was always 2nd option behind Holebas.

SPOILER ALERT: Lazaros is nothing significant, no game changer, and the NT will still be shitte in transition and wingplay either we put him or not. He is not creative and that's what we lack. not good positioned players SPOILER ALERT OVER Thank u and goodnight.

I only want Tzavellas in coz he is one of the few guys that have been with the NT 10+ years and he gives his heart playing for it. 23 man squad has 8-9 defenders. I cant find information about him being released anywhere. Can anyone post about it? His contract ends next year.

See. It happens again. One man has a mediocre to good performance and suddently he is NT material. Laughable. Noone talking about Galanopoulos taking two yellows in 7 minutes (I know the 2nd one wasn't but guy faked it quite well and Gala gave him the option to). Everyone was literally fuming he is not our Top 2 pick. What happened after the game? Also about Lazaros. it's a bit ironic that both of his goals were made by teammates. Of course he took the chance and scored no doubt. Fortounis was the key player who everyone was marking, which led to open spaces for the rest. Can't have an opinion by beating Luzern though saddly. I ll wait for the Burnley-Istanbul team that Olympiakos faces in the next round, and I pretty much doubt that Oly can win them. Basel and Spartak were classes above this team, which sorta looked like nothing more than a Levadiakos tonight, and Limnions made a good appearance against both.

He was off the bench but important player. Also Started quite a few games. https://www.transfermarkt.com/dimitrios-limnios/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/324344/plus/0?saison=2017&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id= Samaris had less time than him and he ended up playing in the WC at 2014.

comparison of Lazaros with Ronaldo with their only common aspect the fact that they ve both gotten old. Am I supposed to take your opinions seriously guys? Lazaros has still high chances of missing the whole season. I want Fetfatzidis in his place. Undoubtedly no Mantalos, but neither Laz. His circle as a key piece is over , and the truth i, he never was for the NT. I'd rather start Limnios and if Fetfa/Gianniotas prove themselves, them.

I am gonna disagree with everyone. I do not rate Lazaros. And the fact that he is 32 soon pinpoints that there is no point to having him as a starter. Id rather give a shot to younger players at the wings. Next Euro Laz will be 34. Toro will be 35. We need the replacements getting integrated in the teams slowly but we need them.

Λαζαρος κονζίστεντ το ακούσαμε και αυτό. Αδερφέ απο τον Σεπτέμβρη μεχρι τον Γιεννάρη αν θυμάμαι καλά ο τύπος δεν είχε βρεί δίχτυα.

Probably false alarm. Olympiakos whenever played with a decent team that we consider "their level" has lost big score. Genk, PSV. They only won a bottom tier team of the Romanian Liga 5-0 and the rest of the games were draws or losses by a goal vs mediocre-bottom Belgian sides. I find it hard to say that Fetfa has been looking good when team offensive mechanism is clearly nonexistent.

Did Galanopoulos play?I am sure Limnios will make it to the squad. Lazaros not so sure, depends on what happens with the AEK issue, he might literally not play for another season which is a career ending basically.

Wow where have u guys been all this time I ve been struggling with 4-5 people about who our best midfielders are and they are literally posting full backs in there. Is there a point to even continue discussing with em?

We will not end up in any conclusion about the midfield. I agree that each game has to be looked at differently but this is the uefa nations league amigo. If we wanna end up 1st in this relatively easy Group (I have said a few times that Finland is not bad, they re the ones I am mostly afraid from anyone), we need good offensive mechanism that takes the pressure away from the defense so that we don't end up conceding a meme goal while we re literally playing alone (Euro 2016 all over again). Anyways, we wont end up in anything serious about midfield. We definately lack knowledge of modern football as well but there were some delightful things I saw from Tziolis. One and probably the only to be fair, is that he has the ability to pass slow and keep the ball to pause the rhythm. So if we re winning for a goal or two vs a Hungary or Finland I wouldn't mind him comming in at 70+. I ve defended the guy far more than I intended too, I just don't think he deserves such hate. He was part of every NT that qualified the 08-14 era so all these coaches (amongst them there are 2 that won a Euro Otto and Santos) picked him. I just came here, after the Paok Match, to say that this Limnios guy should dethrone Mantalos right now. Winger, who helps his Fullback all the time (in fact for every1 who watched, he was defending more than Leo Matos), one of the key players in both legs vs Basel. I know Basel is not what they were last season before January (sold about 6 starters since the last CL groups where they were prob the best team in their Group) but they re definately not GSL tier, and the fact that Luzsku with so many wingers has decided to start this kiddo in both legs (and the previous year also played lots of games ahead of Robert Mak) I think he s got what the NT needs. Can man to man better than Mantalos and is a lot faster than Lazaros. He also defends which is what Skibbe wants from his "wingers". I want him in and I believe his name will be in the call ups at least.

Karagounis in his late stages played an 8. You would see him come to our own perioxh and take the ball from goalie/defence to pass it up on offence. That's literally what an 8 does. And imagine the combo of a nowaday Fortounis with then Karagounis. That would be the deal. I am not saying Samaris is the solution. But you are not offering a solution either. Who instead? Tachtsidis? Also tried and failed. He has reached 28-29 as well they re both not gonna progress.

No there is noone and that's what I have been saying for the last 2-3 days. Noone likes our midfielders yet noone knows someone who is better. There are many who "deserve" a call up but noone to be really the secret ingredient to success. Everyone thinks we re still the Nation that won the Euro. Well snap back to reality.

Papadopoulos is not an option in this thread Nations League will be September November and he sinjured for almost whole season I believe. Karagounis was such a player as I said in his late career. He started a 10 and when he dropped due to age at an 8 he was the one carrying the ball and passing to offensive players. Fortounis cannot really carry the ball and shouldn't. He got vision and he should be the pre last touch in every attack. The problem with any1 proposing to play fortou/mantalo deep is that it's a risk for the defensive line since you can't really expect a classical 10 to be 100% on his defensive duties.

Everyone is asking for X (X being Samaris, Tachtsidis, Tziolis) to get benched but noone is really proposing a solution. You can propose everyone you want. Petsos?Galanopoulos?Siopis? Stafylidis/Toro at DM? Noone is gonna have an impact. You re all delusional and until you realise our midfield is for now beyond terrible (adding the fact that Kourbelis-Galanopoulos-Siopis who were our only hopes for a decent midfield in the previous summers) are not movinganytime soon in a proper competitive league to get experience we will still be forced to play the Zeka-Samaris-Tziolis trio. We just gotta focus on our defence and offence working and set pieces has to be our key because in all honesty, if you have no transition from such a good defence to a very decent offence you re gonna lack communication between the lines. (talking about Fortounis not having to Play low in the midfield to pass the ball up front but being a receiver from a decent pass that will unlock Mitroglou/Donis/Whoever from defenders and help them score. Our current transition in counter attack, which has always been our strong spot, is passing from defence/DMs to Fortounis who is around the midfield and he will carry it to offense. But he has the talent to be the receiver from a pass a box-to-box gives him , which will force defenders on him and unmark strikers. That one player is missing right now. It was Karagounis at his late career stage, who then passed the ball to the wings(but we also had decent wingers then - actually they were bad wingers but good and smart footballers) so our counter attack has gone to the garbage whenever we face semi decent (talking about Hungary-Finland tier) opposition. That's why I bet half our goals in the last campaign were scored from set pieces Anyone you name is no box to box. They are all koftes. Pws na ot kanoume. Spammarete 10 atoma "kalytera apo ton Tzioli" poy einai oloi koftes re paidia. Poses fores na to pw na to katalavete. Vale 2 kalous koftes sti thesi tou Tzioli pali provlima tha exoume mprosta. Den ine thema paikti einai thema thesis. Kai stin sugkekrimeni thesi, creative mid ESTW ENA REGISTA den exoume soiko oute gia plaka. None of them can pass the ball in a way that makes the opponent defence break. Tachtsidis definition of Regista but he is lazy and declining year after year. Galanopoulos can be b2b, coz boy can pass and usually is seen up front in the opposition box when playing for Aek but he is mostly doint dirty defensive work. Mantalos as an 8 is a solution indeed but you can't expect an attacking mid to be prosilwmenos at his defensive duties. He ll let himself loose for a moment and maybe the whole defensive mechanism goes cuckoo. MATHETE BALITSA AGORIA MU.

If I look posts from 2014 and prior. Will I find you bashing on Katsouranis and Karagounis for needing to step down? If I do. Your opinion is discarded. Talent was still there, right? I still shouldn't even "try" that much thoughwith your unreal expectation. Ninis hasn't played on his top level for at least 5-6 years (since he came loanie at paok). He is nowhere near Greek Super League level. If he was, he wouldn't have to go to Israel. He would easily find a team in Greece to meet his demands for such a "talented" player as you say.

People asking for Ninis to rejoin Ethniki is this a sitcom? I think he would fit splendid in our A side: Mantzios(SMIRNI) - Nazlidis (ARIS) Koutsianikoulis(OFI) - Ninis(i dont know) - Plattelas(OFI) Tziolis(SomeOilMoneyClub) Baxevanidis(XANTHI) - Triantafillopoulos (ASTERAS) - Papazoglou(OFI) - Marinakis(PANAITOLIKOS) Velidis(PAS GIANNINA) I think it works.

Nah I disagree. Lots of non-Greek players stopped getting call ups as soon as they downgraded and went on a non competitive league.