Rockafeller Skank

spot on. ur best game in this campaign + our worse.

agreed tzavellas shares fault. They don't seem good defensively but we dont have the players on the field to play a bit attack. In my opinion Tziolis being this slow gives nothing to this game. Skibbe has to sub him off for a winger and put zeka back in mid.

Dont listen to the idiots in the SKAI commentating. Team was 4-4-2 from the beginning they are just bad at their job. It's just a bad day for the team. Hoping we go with 3-2 in athens hoping for the best. Today is not our day and it obviously is Croatia's.

We are ruined. Bad day for the team. Maniatis has fault for 2 goals. If Karnezis didn't do that mistake at 9 we d be watching a different game.

Τοro wont play. Word is Sokratis will play. Also the livescore lineup is speculations don't even bother with it guys.

>My uncle who played for Olympiakos in the 50's No he didn't.

Having played some semi professional football I will also have to insist that your coach changed nothing to the game vs Ukraine. His true worth will be seen tonight and on Sunday. His managerial history ain't nothing special. But if he is someone the players respects and wanna play for then Im pretty sure that's what the national teams are all about.

that Lovren Vida Strinic Trio adding the fact that Vrsaljko is nothing speial other than playing for a top team smells greek goals. That Croatian offence though does smell Croatian goals too.

Croatian reporters have mentioned it man. Im not saying just because I believe it. I don't even know a single thing about your team's motives and cooperation.

How many can bend it like Beckham? Quite a few mate. And none of them are Greek. We have a squad that really is unable to do the unexpected when it comes to offence. Defense is really written in our DNA apparently.

Tzavellas plays Left Back in Turkey. THe fact that he can be a centerback as well due to his marking abilities and physical attributes tells me nothing. Tachtsidis had played Centerback for 10 minutes in Olympiakos- Sporting game. Maybe count him as a CB too? Retsos plays there because of his pace and because our only other decent RB (Bakakis not called) is injured. Also I agree with every1 saying it;s gonna be huge if we take a result without Manolas. It just sticks the team togther proving that our back up solutions are equally important. Besides Kyriakos played both vs Bosnia and vs Belgium and the team did not look any more flawed a single bit with missing a CB starter.

@dean97 Couldn' have said it any better. This was the reason I dropped the forums until yesterday because there were people crying and crying and crying. Even if we don't make it we re literally in the last 18 Uefa teams for the 13 Spots. Everyone had us written off finishing behind an , as it seems mediocre at best Bosnia. Croatia is full of excellent players who are nothing more than mere professionals. I do not believe they have the sacrifice and the team spirit we do. I know my argument sounds clownish but have u bothered checking our players' instagram photos? Even when the NT is not together (club duties) they re posting about it. Let's warm up a bit by remembering this. The Romanians, as well as the Croats, missjudged us and said they had a favoritable draw against us. The Romanians, probably as the Croats will do, also played all-out attack against us. We had not scored 3 goals in a match for over 5 years before that night. Survive today with conceding 1 goal maximum, and it's ours.

But is bringing people in a solution? Do you live in Greece? Do you know how these people usually end up?

Whenever we have the ball on our feet we don't know what to do it we are a team with 0 creativity to catch them by surprise their defenders are mediocre not terrible. If I were Skibbe I'd go 15 minutes dull and then hit with a counter or two. With the line ups I see we re gonna be way taller than them. Set pieces and corners could get them out.

Well we cleary don't have the team right now to hunt for being permanent tournament contender. So if you settle and hope that at some point like other Nations who pop out of nowhere after 20+ years of being invisible, we ll make a generation of players capable of holding a trophy, u ll be fine. The fact that Superleague is becomming sort of competitive is a hint we re right on track.

I have prepared myself for the worse. Im already happy knowing that a team like us made it back from the dead has only the future to look at.

^This. No Review and no accusation from the moment the "fair play incident" happened until Manolas was cleared injuryfree for the games. Had the incident happened a week or 10 days after the Cyprus-Greece match I would ve said it's to make an example out of players. They need good players worldknown, to put examples out of.

I'd give more chances their fans to actualy destroy the atmosphere and take a punishment/sabotage, than the refs being in their favor. The place is gonna be a swimming pool if u got any betting dignity 0-0 or 0-1 goals is what your heart should tell u.

The only weird thing about it is the timing which I agree with u seems a bit corrupt. They were waiting all the time he was injured without even announcing they re looking into the subject and the week he played for Roma and got called (aka was healthy) this happened. Don't care dude. Taking a result without him is gonna be a better + for the team chemistry. Others need to justify their call ups too.

btw Argy im ChinChanChon. Don't be so sensitive in xtra time. Our players are not as world famous as we want to believe here. And we re not considered as good as we believe either. Keep it for here.

I believe the Centerback role when our lines are that close and we re there to play defence has minimal role. A good centerback with attributes such as pace and height which bothSokratis and Manolas have can minimalize a counter thread but I honestly doubt we ll see any form of counterattack against us in Croatia. We will possibly be fine with Retsos or Kyriakos in Manolas stead. Sokratis will play man. that's the mentality around here and that's what people who know that our players fight for the NT would do. I doubt the Croats are as self sacrificing as our players. I ve heard one too many times the only one interested is Modric.

Do you remember Angelos Ikonomou who was at the 2nd team of Bayern, training alongsidetheir first team and playing in a few cup matches?? When Bayern left him, you would be surprised where he ended up. I ll let you google that to let you have some suspence. Said 3 times already, and not negotiateable: Which academy you come from means bull$hit to me. If you don't prove yourself at top level you are nowhere near "good".

you got me here I suppose. I suppose there ar enumerous reasons as why people stop making children. Increase of Homosexuality and the Homosexuality acceptance. Increase of Greeks leaving Greece for jobs. Crisis definately can't be totally irrelevant. However, being a student currently I have heard too many times the words "I don't wanna have children in the future/ I don't wanna get married." Sure these are bull$hiet as at some point your opinions on that matter change when u mature, but not all of them will I suppose. Hunting a career right now is a thing for women too.

The new coach was appointed 3 days before the Ukraine match. The win was not his making and I do not believe he is anything good either on tactics. Skibbe has proven quite a few times that he is a tactical coach who knows how to get the best from his players. He picks disciplined and focused players who might lack some talent but in the end they do exactly what he wants them to do. In the Ukraine match the superior team just showed and I was not expecting anything less from Croatia. To win, although Ukraine did have their fair amount of chances. The new coach has not been tested yet and these play offs will probably be the first ones he does. Also a weird statistic, with Mandzukic possibly not playing is that your National team has won less than half their games with Mario being abscent. Im still into considering that the first match will be a 0-0 or a weird goal. And we re masters at weird out of nowhere goals. If I had to put my ife on it I'd go for the 0-0. If I used my heart a little bit too 0-1 to 1-1.

How will Tziolis get abused in a possible 2 man midfield at which we have fielded 4 , while Kourbelis who s like 15 cm under will not? You don't get Tziolis for his dribble and his vision. Which neither Kourbelis does. You get him for his height and his weight in set pieces. Badelj missing means Croatia will probably chnage their 4-3-3 because they have no true replacement of a defensive mid who knows how to protec his defenders from flaws. a 2 man midfield with Modric and Rakitic surely sounds great but 2 against 4 doesn't tell me they re gonna make much. Rakitic doesn't produce for his NT anyways and Modric despite still showing is way different with 10 players who are not the ones of Real Madrid. + Their NT has been having some political/ethical issues and fights with fans. Players doing like nothing's happening but Im pretty sure they can't keep pretending forever. Under such pressure when u know you don't have your people behind you Im not sure skill is the only thing u need. 2 days ago with Sokratis/Manolas possibly gone I'd say the tie was over. Today with Mandzu and Badelj I'd say it's back to where it was. Their big power which is the midfield got a big fat hit and we gotta see if they can recover from it. Weather might be ours as well. Im expecting a 0-0 match there. Unless some defender slips and fouls for a penalty,which in a muddy stadium is probably 3 times harder to utilize again. The match at athens is the problem. Sokratis I suppose will be matchfit by then same as Torosidis. We might see a totally different game.