Dean97

My lineup would be players who we should start most games. The core players are Karnezis, Manolas, Sokratis, Torosidis, Samaris, Mitroglou. Everyone else has to earn their position in the team. Players like Fortounis and Tachtsidis should start also. It will be hard to choose over Ninis and Pelkas. Im a fan of Ninis i think he should be in this team cause he is at the right age and has some sort of expirience in the Ethniki. He has over 30 caps. He has more caps than Lazaros and Kone and also more goals. Our biggest problem is our LB position. So far we have Holebas. I think in 2-3 years Stafylidis will take his position, but both are weak defensively. Attacking, they are both reliable but the question is who do you start right now leading into the WC qualifiers. Do you stick with Holebas or do you go straight to youth. Players like Kitsiou, Maniatis, Lagos should be given a shot at the LB position. These players are good defensively especially the last two. I think we need to fix this problem at LB because Holebas is turning 32 i think we should find a replacement in the future. It might be a good idea that mold someone in that position. Also Torosids but he is more reliable. In my opinion the equal problem to that is where Kyriakos Papadopoulos plays. Does he play over Manolas? i dont think so. (Siovas has a place aswell.) Does he play DM? He hasnt got the passing for it but has got the aggression and tackling to stop plays. Does he come in as as a sub? I think its a waste. These are problems that should be fixed before starting the new era under the new coach. For now we should just have Moras and Tziolis there for expirience to balance it. Also have youth in the team that we want to include also. Players like Pelkas, Kapino, Mantalos, Karelis and Tzanetopoulos. If anyone has to prove themesleves andplay its the strikers. MItroglou, Athanasiadis and Aravidis. All 3 should be included in the squad. But this is another problem aswell. This is where the new coach has find out how the midfield is going to link up with attackers and create goals for the strikers. For the Luxemborg match: Karnezis © Kapino Sifakis Torosidis © Kitsiou Manolas K.Papadopoulos Sokratis © Moras Holebas Stafylidis Lagos Tziolis Tachtsidis Samaris © Ninis Kone Mantalos Fortounis Mitroglou © Athanasiadis Karelis Aravidis. Other mentions for the future: Vellidis, Maniatis, Lazaros, Fetfatzidis, Pelkas, Glykos, Siovas, Tzanetopoulos.

Yes that's true but did you see the other names I mentioned aswell. The only time Gekas was more vital than Samaras was 2009-2010. Every other time, Samaras was more useful than Gekas. That is what I mean. The other players I mentioned were more consistent but Samaras also was a key player but could've, should've done even better. Your looking at it as Samaras saved the team with the way he played, is it the way you play or is it the assists you give and the goals you score that make yourself and the team successful?

You didn't convince me I'm saying that Gekas was more vital in 2009-2010 scoring goals. Samaras is more useful in other areas such as making runs, beating players in the air, showing good touches. I know your a Samaras fan, but don't tell me you weren't annoyed at his inconsistencies and bad decision making.

I agree about Samaras with Gekas im actually not a fan of him it was only in 2009 and 2010 when he was producing his best for the ethniki after that ive always said he is useless his slow, lazy and very inconsistent. Samaras was more vital than Gekas overall but i still think that Samaras could have done even better with his decisions, im more of a fan of players like Salpingidis who worked his ass off and showed passion and was more consistent than Gekas for the Ethniki. If anything im more of a fan of Samaras than Gekas. I just always got annoyed in the decisions Samaras made and i know he could have done even better, thats why im very tough on Samaras.

I believe players like Karagounis, Salpingidis, Charisteas, Gekas, Zagorakis and Basinas were more vital. Im not saying Samaras wasnt vital in the team. He was vital to the team but out of everyone in the team he frustrated me the most and at times surprised me at what he can do. The only one in my eyes who i can say did not stuff up or made less mistakes was Karagounis. I think this topic about Samaras is useless he has no club. Its just pointless talking about the past unless you think he has a place now in the team.

I even think Salpingidis was more of a threat for the Ethniki.

He has shown up in big matches such as Russia, Germany and Ivory Coast. But he has not shown up constitently he was very frustrating to watch like bad decision making poor touches and so on. He is not a top goal scorer either. He had shown more consistency with Celtic than with Greece. If he had scored 20 goals like Charisteas and Gekas than we can say he succeded.

In my opinion i think Samaras is finished i also agree that Samaras never lived up to the expectations as a youngster but still did alright in his career with Celtic but not with the National team. Also Ninis is the same but the difference is Ninis is younger by 5 years and is playing in a team. Fetfatzidis is another name who i think if he played more games for Olympiakos he would have left earlier and this talk of him finishing his career in a league where you dont care about your career anymore would not happen. He would be playing in a top a league such as La Liga Serie A Bundesliga and Ligue 1. Also other names to mention Koutsianikoulis, Vellios, these are the players who should now should have been our top players, players that are essential to the Ethniki and playing for top clubs in europe. The only players right now that are doing well for there clubs and at a good age is: Manolas, Sokratis, Samaris, Mitroglou, Torosidis and K.Papadopoulos. These are players playing for top teams in good leagues. Fortounis i believe is saving his career playing at Olympiakos and is in the form of his life. Other players that still have time are Kapino, Karelis, Pelkas, Oikonomou, Petsos, Stafylidis,Tachtisdis and Mantalos these players have time to still prove themeselves and become starters for bigger clubs in bigger leagues.

Karnezis, Sokratis, K.Papadopoulos, Manolas, Samaris, Holebas and Torosidis should be the players that start every match coming up. Thats our defence. The rest need to be changes often. For eg. have Ninis or Fortounis to start in that creative AM role. Maybe Pelkas aswell. Striker next game would have to be either Klaus or Aravidis, Mitroglou has to sit on the bench. He can come on if the new striker is not producing anything. Have 1 of Kone or Lazaros to start on that LW. RW should be Fetfatzidis. Tachtsidis can be on the bench as well as Karelis. Kapino and Vellidis as keepers and Maniatis to be a back up for Torosidis for now. Have 3 future players that were going to fit in for later to gain knowledge of how we play for eg. (Bouchalakis, Pelkas and Petsos.) I like to see Bakakis in the future because i think he is talented. Aswell as Mystakidis. Mystakidis is like Kone in the way his position is second striker. They both like to roam around the box. Stafylidis should be back up to Holebas and Siovas, Oikonmou should be back ups. Overall this is what i would do if i was coach. I would be tossing up between Fetfatzidis and Karelis in that RW position of who should start most of the time. I also think that 1 of Lazaros and Kone should start on that LW. As Samaras has no club. This Squad is young and filled with a core of expirienced players (meaning caps.) Tziolis should step aside not because he's old but give the new generation a chance in that position such as Bouchalakis, Petsos and Lagos. We need to give these players playing time and become a team. Maybe have Tziolis there if it means to have balance so the team will not be lost.

This is from Sir Alex Ferguson about Teamwork.

Vyntra was shocking today his crosses were bad and we missed Torosidis badly in my opinion the other selections were not that bad i also believe Karnezis was at fault for the goal aswell as Vyntra. Our attack is very fustrating there is no end product. I really cant believe what has been happening to our Ethniki. Best players today were Holebas and Fortounis. I dont understand what is so hard to score seriously this cant be happening nothing else in my opinion can be done to fix this MItroglou can only do so much, Sokratis was doing his job, Aravidis should have not started really, Samaris cant really say its just fustrating that we were a team in the Round of 16 at the World Cup to a team that cant win a match against teams that werent even in the World Cup. I hear people say here that it is the players fault mostly and i agree, we cant be this bad was. Ever since Karagounis retired we have looked lost and confused when we attack with the ball was Karagounis that much of a superstar. I believe Samaris, Kone, Tachtsidis and Fortounis are better than him in terms of ability and age. Now to come and think of it I want Karagounis back and playing or i wish he was 5 years younger so he could be still playing this is so frustrating.

I just realized Bouchalakis and Pelkas are not called up they have been impressive.

The following is the team: http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/ethniki_elladas/me-platella-aravidh-oi-klhseis-toy-tsana.3635115.html Says Torosidis picked up too many yellow cards and will miss the match against Finland. I guess Kitsiou will be playing.

I put Ninis there because he can have a more free role such as cutting in and creating and doing more of the attacking work. We can get our strong 3 Cbs to do the defensive job aswell as Holebas to track back. Also you have 2 defensive minded midefielders that can also help. I dont expect both of Samaris and Tachtsidis to help out most of the time defensively there should be 1 at least helping the defense most of the time. This 3-4-3 formation is a good way to include your best players and also the best balance of attack and defence. I would have Samaris and Tachtsids more deeper or at least one of them. Ninis is not the right wing back. This is what i think we should do in the next match. We have nothing to lose.

Thats incredible even with the situation going on in Greece.

In my opinion Ninis and Forotunis must get called up. I dont know if Kone can do it in that creative role i wish he can well just see. Also Kyriakos must start he is a bulldog very aggressive and good tackling. Manolas also should start. Karnezis Manolas Kyriakos Sokratis Ninis Samaris Tachtsidis Holebas Fortounis Karelis Mitroglou I know Ninis is not that good defensively but weve got Holebas there to cover defensively and offensively. Also Tachtsidis should start. Torosidis should not start because Ninis can do the job.

Does anyone know when this player will go this player is talented its a shame he has not got playing time that he should of, he in my opinion needs to back to the Greek Superleague and get game time he is the future of Greece.

Does anyone know whats going to happen with Kolovos and Gianniotas?

In my opinion we should go with this Karnezis Manolas K.Papadopoulos Sokratis Ninis Tachtsidis Samaris Holebas/Torosidis Fetfatzidis Karelis Mitroglou Stafylidis, Gianniotas, Bouchalakis, Manaitis, Salpingidis, Moras, Kone, Lazaros, Kapino, Vellidis, Aravidis.

How can Lazaros go back he said he would never go back to PAOK does would every PAOK fan welcome him back.

I think Tzanetopoulos is a good player and a future Ethniki player but what is Kolovetsios best attributes?

Thats all I've heard aswell. You know we did have other owners before Marinaikis and we still won the league 10 years in a row it's not our fault we keep Winning and 2nd team with the most league wins is Panathinaikos so it's not rigged. We lost to Pas Giannina 2-1in 2014 was that rigged aswell?

I think it was not Salpingidis fault on the first goal it was in my opinion Holebas fault, the cross should have never came in 2nd on the list of whos fault it was is Manolas should have cleared that and finally Karnezis. It was no way Salpingidis fault out of all people you should be blaming the right back Torosidis.

I think that Fetfatzidis had enough of not playing games and not being wanted, that his mentality changed from being a player that wants the cash more than the notice i think he is tired of this cause he knows how good he is but he hasn't had enough opportunities to show it. So he said im sick of this. Only explanation i can think of.

What i think 1789 is trying to say is that Ninis and Sneijder have the same playing style technically but Sneijder is more influential when he plays, they play the same good passing, vision, shooting, dribbling. One is luckier than the other.