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Based on today's FIFA results it's now looking more and more like Greece if they finish second will be the worst of the second place teams... Every second please team looks like they've won or winning.

So Greece have 10points and Bosnia have 8points right now. But Bosnia have the potential to get 6points in there two remaining games and we can get a max of 3 points since the Gibraltar games doesn't count. Am I understanding this right? So a draw and a win in there last 2 games will only give Bosnia a max points of 12. If we tie Cyprus we are out as we can only get a max 11points since Gibraltar does not count. Is that right?

Take a look the Gibraltar game is not counted.. I have copied and pasted below.It specifically says "2nd place team with the best record of teams finishing 1,3,4 and 5 in our case would mean Belgium 1 , Bosnia,3 , Cyprus 4, Estonia 5. NOT GILBRATAR Qualifying group stageMatches take place between 4 September 2016 and 10 October 2017 with seven groups of six teams and two of five. The nine group winners qualify directly for the finals and the eight runners-up with the best record against the teams finishing first, third, fourth and fifth in their section go into the play-offs.

Torontoblue is right I remember hearing the the same thing when FIFA announced the groups... I will try to find it and attach the link..

@Torontoblue That's what I was confused about I thought the result against Gibraltar wouldn't matter. Does that mean all 8 teams the results don't count against the last place teams? In points and the amount of goals scored? So for example if Greece beat Gilbrator then we minus the 6 points from our two wins against them plus minus the goals we scored? Still a little confused about how that works.

We played hard today and if it wasn't for one mental breakdown we would have had at least a point today. Skibbe I think should have left Staf in since he was playing a good game. Samaris is over rated and is not that good to be honest but we don't have many options. Kyraikos is made out of glass so he cant be relied on to stay healthy. My problem is definitely with Skibbe as if we would have had this line up minus Sokratis against Estonia I believe we would have scored and I strongly believe giving Tioliz and Vellios 90minutes of playing time really screwed us in that crucial must win game. Skibbe without a doubt was looking ahead to the Belgium game with the players he choose against Estonia and that was a horrible coaching move. I also blame Skibbe for not calling up guys that are performing better like Laz, Fetfa, and so on. Guys like Bak, and Dimantakos dont cut it. Tziolis should never play 90 minutes there is no logic in this move as he is slow and sloppy. If Kone starts playing I also would love to see Kone, Laz and fetfa come up. No one is saying they need to start but they would be 100 times better options then we have now coming off the bench. But knowing Skibbe I'm not holding my breath.

I just don't see Bosnia screwing up this gift we gave them by not beating Estonia.. I think they will beat Belgium B side and they will beat Estonia.

I guess all we can do now is go out and win both games and see what happens as it's out of our own hands now. Bosnia is thinking the same thing. Bosnia also beat Estonia 5-0 last time they played them.

That's the other problem even if we somehow take 2nd it's looking now like we may be the worst 2nd place team and not go through anyways.

The Estonia game will completely keep us out of the World Cup playoffs.. no question... 1 point out of a possible 6 is not the result that Keeps you in the World Cup running.. I fully expect a hungry Bosnia team to beat a Belgium team that has absolutely nothing to play for... I personaly don't think we will beat Cyprus on the road but regardless Bosnia are now favourites for the 2nd spot and I truly think they will take advantage and secure that second spot.. I see Bosnia taking there final 2 games.

If Belgium win they will have nothing to play for against Bosnia witch will F*** us.

Wtf man why are we just handing it to them F***

1-2 Belgium

Zeca Goaaaaaaaaaaaaaal

Belgium goal

Lykogiannis in for Staf.. Why Staf has been playing a great game.

Half time 0-0 Greece were very impressive and had te better chances great job.. hopefully they can keep it up in the second as I expect Belgium to play better.

Wow Greece with the pressure

F*** Staf hit the post.. F*** me so close

Wow what a run for Donis this boy is for real...

Wow... So it's a two man race between us and Bosnia again since Cyprus lost.

Ya Mitro is out for sure.... I agree Donis is a play maker not a finisher... Looks like Skibbe is not even thinking of trying to win this game as he has chosen to park the bus and play for the tie. The problem with this method is Belgium will have 90% possession and I fear they will be able to sneak a couple in.

Greece is going with the 4-4-1-1 http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/ethniki_elladas/me-4-4-1-1-kai-dwnh-sthn-koryfh.4828970.html

I know we got a great result in Belgium last time but I fear this time we will lose handily..

Skibbe is finally getting criticism from the Greek press for his selections..