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^Agree what's done is done... I'm not trying to attack you either Im just making my point as well.. Playoffs??? I wish but I think if you guys somehow beat Belgium you are in.. let's see what happens as I'm not so confident that we will beat Cyprus anyways..

@kosaca Read this as this should once and for all put your excuses to rest.. http://www.agonasport.com/agonasport-allnews/greek-fans-injured-in-zenica-zeca-maniatis-pleading-for-help

Dude it sounds like you're trying to find ways to justify the actions of the Bosnians.... why? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be so quick to justify the actions if this s%$#! happened to your team...You're entitled to your own opinion which is cool but once you start justifying the actions then guys in here will call you out.. "Did the travelling fan supporter group make any statement?" What the F*** does that matter? They can say whatever the F*** they want if they actually did but that doesn't give your fans or the security an excuse to attack..

@kosaca Bosnia should have been punished by the by playing behind close doors.. The minute the coach allows Gilli to be part of the team and allow him on the pitch then it's The entire Bosnian federation responsible for his actions... #2 Bosnia should be playing behind close doors I'll tell you why, The fans need to be punished for assaulting visiting fans and not making it safe and if that's not enough the major reason you should be playing behind close doors is because your Security/law enforcement was assaulting the Greek fans instead of protecting them.. What kind of pieces of s%$#! secutiy guards do Bosnia employee to protect fans? You guys need an enormous punishment for that reason alone.. In other stadiums when there are fights amongst fans at least they have some protection with Security . From the pitch with the players to the staff with Gillis to the fans assaulting fans and players and the security guards pushing and assaulting fans.. Absolutely disgraceful..

^ I agree... This will be so hard to go through another tournament without the national team..

I think we need to worry about beating Cyprus because if we draw or lose that game then what Bosnia does doesn't matter it will be over..

We have nobody to blame but ourselves.. guys lets not forget we lost to the FI twice plus Finland, Hungary, Luxembourg in a friendly Bolivia and tied Estonia... do you really think we deserve to be higher with all those losses? Why should we be higher who have we beaten that's a top team? We've tied Bosnia twice and tied Belgium we also beat a s%$#! Netherlands team.. we are exactly were we belong and only have ourselves to blame..

Absolutely agree.. But do you honestly think Skibbe has half a brain to give him a shot? I don't..

I don't see that happening.. I see them wanting the win to be able to move up the FIFA rankings and build some confidence..

Ya I remember watching that game and it was for far less then what the Bosnians did to us but yet we get the harsher punishment.. ?

I'm actually one of the few that think you do have a chance against belgium... I think Greece will have a a hard time with Cyprus to be honest..

I think which ever teams fans assault visiting fans even my beloved national team then they need to be punished to the fullest. Who ever does it.. At the end of the day it's a sport and we all get passionate but the safety of players and fans needs to be the first priority..

Buddy are you serious right now?? are you that blind.. Our traveling fans were assaulted and threatened by your security guards and your fans... WTF... Your stadium wasn't even safe for visiting fans as they had s%$#! being thrown at them as well as our players... For you to just say it was the actions of your assistant and no one else should be blamed clearly shows your mentality. When fans are abused threatened and physically impacted as well as our soccer players then that goes beyond anything that could be written on a banner or said even though I don't condone it. A fine and a stadium ban for assaulting people is an outright joke and fifa should be ashamed.

What a joke of a punishment... this doesn't punish Bosnia at all.. So I guess it's allowed to act like animals and be abusive to the players and travelling fans and all you will get is a stadium ban.. WTF

I'm not to sure Samaris is our best option anymore... He is a very average footballer at best. When ever I watch him play I see more mistakes made then good plays.. I think he should be a bench option going forward but not a starter. The fact that Tziolis is a go to guy for Skibbe shows us his bad judgement as this guy should never wear the NT jersey. Bak , Vellios should not be called up at all. For some reason Skibbe has chosen to continually start mantolas and I just don't get it as this guy is also a very average player and doesn't bring much as a starter. I hope Kone can find his forum with Aek and eventually get a spot on this team as I think he would bring something extra to the team. Lazaros also needs to be called up and start some games along with Fetfa. Taxi should be used more and Staf needs to be a regular starter.

I totally though it was behind close doors... Now Bosnia will have a rocking house in such a huge game...

You're right I just read it...

Bosnia will play behind closed doors that was part of there punishment..

^No way that will happen.. The Cyprus players will give it there all and try there best to beat Greece.. They will NOT try less at all..

I agree... We will screw this up and Cyprus will play us hard..

@Rockafeller Skank No one is arguing the fact that this campaign has been better then our last campaign that's not a question and yes Skibbe is using the NT to its strengths which is our defence and that's good but everyone including the media is very upset with his call ups and the OUT OF FORM PLAYERS he choose to play against Estonia which was a MUST WIN. YOu don't need Tziolis in that game and you shouldn't start Vellios when he hasn't started a game for ever and wasn't in game shape. He also had Taxi and Staf he could have played... Forget the fact that we tied Estonia for a second but the problem is we didn't tie Estonia with our best possible line up that's the problem as we didn't give ourselves the best chance to win and that's what bothers everybody. We had almost NO shots on net especially in the second so why didn't Skibbe then make changes that made sense to bring more offence? You can refer back to the Faroe Islands and us blowing leads against s%$#! team but you still can't play scared and you still need to go for the win against teams that are much weaker then you. In a World Cup qualifying campaign the margin for error is so slim that you CANNOT afford to not get 3 points against teams below you. If we played our best possible line up against Estonia and we still got the same result then so be it as it would have been on the players for not coming through but Skibbe didn't even give us a chance to win with his selections. He made a huge mistake by looking ahead and resting players to be ready for the Belgium match and he completely screwed the team by not playing his best line up against Estonia and then let the chips fall where they would have against Belgium as Estonia was the more important game for us. Nobody would have started players that haven't played in months and are out of form when you have inform players not being called up. I'm not blaming him for everything and Like I said I do like his defence first mentality but he has to be one of the worst coaches we've seen for selecting players in a long time.

Bottom line we can waste our breath trying to analyze who will be last of the 2nd place teams but the reality is if Greece don't beat Cyprus or if Bosnia beat Belgium then there is no need to even bother with the other groups.. The Cyprus match will be very difficult as there new coach will not want a another lose under his belt and he will do everything he can to prove his worth and have Cyprus prepared so they can beat us or at least draw us.. This will NOT be an easy match for us..

As it stands right now our group which is group h has the worst of the 2nd place team..

Just so there is no confusion the last place results don't count when it comes to finishing 2nd. I just found this below even though every group has 6 teams. Ranking of second-placed teams[edit] At the time of the draw, groups H and I had one team fewer than the other groups so it was announced that matches against the last-placed team in each of the six-team groups would not be included in the ranking of the second-placed teams. UEFA has confirmed that, even after the admission of Kosovo and Gibraltar and with all groups now containing six teams, this regulation has not changed and matches against the sixth-placed team in all groups will still be discarded.[25] As a result, only eight matches played by each team will be counted in the second-placed table. The eight best runners-up are determined by the following parameters, in this order:[26] Highest number of points Goal difference Highest number of goals scored Highest number of goals scored away from home Fair play points

http://www.agonasport.com/agonasport-allnews/how-greece-can-finish-2nd-in-group-h