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http://www.agonasport.com/agonasport-allnews/all-the-wrong-moves This article is spot on and it explains exactly what everyone is saying and thinking.. This is the true reason we blew it against Estonia and it has to do with Skibbe.. Why is he so blind when it comes to call ups? Skibbe has taken us back to defensive soccer which is good but he's killings us and costing us games with his selections and subs.

Guys every group does have 6 teams this format was implemented I think because the odd number of teams but every group does have the same number of teams.. This is so confusing.. what's the purpose of deducting the points and goals if every group has the same number of teams. Are we still sure we are correct by the deducting of points?

Good break down....

Wales getting the win today shouldn't impact us as they beat the last place team in there group so those points get deducted anyways.. Am I right or am I missing something?

@Rockafeller Skank but does the Wales result even count since Maldova is the last place team in there group when it comes to top second place teams?

10 minutes to go Serbia leading 1-0

If Greece doesn't end up beating Cyprus it will be by 1 goal but I honestly see a draw here..

@Boxou Thanks for the breakdown..

So bottom line if Ireland win tomorrow we are done .

That's why I'm so upset with Skibbes line up selection... he should have went hard with our best possible line against Estonia and guaranteed the win as first place was never really in the cards anyways.. he made a bad decision and it most likely cost us the world cup. He took the Estonia game for granted . We needed to beat Estonia, and Cyprus and a loss to Belgium still would have been okay but Skibbe choose to go with a weak line up and it literally F***ED US.

As it stands right now we are tied for last with IRL so even if they get a pint tomorrow we will be the last place team.. not looking good at all.

http://www.agonasport.com/agonasport-allnews/martinez-i-respect-the-competition-we-will-go-to-bosnia-for-the-win

Based on today's FIFA results it's now looking more and more like Greece if they finish second will be the worst of the second place teams... Every second please team looks like they've won or winning.

So Greece have 10points and Bosnia have 8points right now. But Bosnia have the potential to get 6points in there two remaining games and we can get a max of 3 points since the Gibraltar games doesn't count. Am I understanding this right? So a draw and a win in there last 2 games will only give Bosnia a max points of 12. If we tie Cyprus we are out as we can only get a max 11points since Gibraltar does not count. Is that right?

Take a look the Gibraltar game is not counted.. I have copied and pasted below.It specifically says "2nd place team with the best record of teams finishing 1,3,4 and 5 in our case would mean Belgium 1 , Bosnia,3 , Cyprus 4, Estonia 5. NOT GILBRATAR Qualifying group stageMatches take place between 4 September 2016 and 10 October 2017 with seven groups of six teams and two of five. The nine group winners qualify directly for the finals and the eight runners-up with the best record against the teams finishing first, third, fourth and fifth in their section go into the play-offs.

Torontoblue is right I remember hearing the the same thing when FIFA announced the groups... I will try to find it and attach the link..

@Torontoblue That's what I was confused about I thought the result against Gibraltar wouldn't matter. Does that mean all 8 teams the results don't count against the last place teams? In points and the amount of goals scored? So for example if Greece beat Gilbrator then we minus the 6 points from our two wins against them plus minus the goals we scored? Still a little confused about how that works.

We played hard today and if it wasn't for one mental breakdown we would have had at least a point today. Skibbe I think should have left Staf in since he was playing a good game. Samaris is over rated and is not that good to be honest but we don't have many options. Kyraikos is made out of glass so he cant be relied on to stay healthy. My problem is definitely with Skibbe as if we would have had this line up minus Sokratis against Estonia I believe we would have scored and I strongly believe giving Tioliz and Vellios 90minutes of playing time really screwed us in that crucial must win game. Skibbe without a doubt was looking ahead to the Belgium game with the players he choose against Estonia and that was a horrible coaching move. I also blame Skibbe for not calling up guys that are performing better like Laz, Fetfa, and so on. Guys like Bak, and Dimantakos dont cut it. Tziolis should never play 90 minutes there is no logic in this move as he is slow and sloppy. If Kone starts playing I also would love to see Kone, Laz and fetfa come up. No one is saying they need to start but they would be 100 times better options then we have now coming off the bench. But knowing Skibbe I'm not holding my breath.

I just don't see Bosnia screwing up this gift we gave them by not beating Estonia.. I think they will beat Belgium B side and they will beat Estonia.

I guess all we can do now is go out and win both games and see what happens as it's out of our own hands now. Bosnia is thinking the same thing. Bosnia also beat Estonia 5-0 last time they played them.

That's the other problem even if we somehow take 2nd it's looking now like we may be the worst 2nd place team and not go through anyways.

The Estonia game will completely keep us out of the World Cup playoffs.. no question... 1 point out of a possible 6 is not the result that Keeps you in the World Cup running.. I fully expect a hungry Bosnia team to beat a Belgium team that has absolutely nothing to play for... I personaly don't think we will beat Cyprus on the road but regardless Bosnia are now favourites for the 2nd spot and I truly think they will take advantage and secure that second spot.. I see Bosnia taking there final 2 games.

If Belgium win they will have nothing to play for against Bosnia witch will F*** us.

Wtf man why are we just handing it to them F***

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