Bananas

One rule for some and another rule for others. I like how EPO made a rule but when PAO were on the cliff's edge they were eager to overturn it. Integrity hey. But hey it makes sense. PAO is a bigger club than clubs like Milan, Juve. Even with Rangers, the other clubs in Scotland had the guts to punish them. In Greece everyone is bought and sold. A rule was made at the beginning of the season but (and this is important) it was never really intended for clubs like PAO. There are rules for the "commoners" and for the "elite" there are others. PAO ... the elite. Elite indeed. I did always think PAO would be saved at the last minute but I never thought it would be like this. The ironic thing is it solves nothing. Ouzonidis has one foot out the door. What talented players PAO does have (and they actually do have a very good youth academy) will leave the club for better offers or just for the prospect of actually being paid. Alafouzos has somehow managed to desecrate a club with so much history and EPO and the other clubs instead of throwing him out on his ass pander to him. The GSL definitely needs PAO. But not a PAO that is like this. Better off getting relegated and coming back with a new owner rather than this sickly team they are now. The 0-3 we got in Athens, in year gone by, I would've been so happy with such a result. This result felt like ... nothing really.

Great news for Alafouzos. How much lower can he sink PAO ?

Yeah man. The club realising this has been going for 2nd position all year. Seeing that it was very possible we could get 1st position (and hence the more difficult path) the club had to somehow ensure 2nd spot. This is the real reason why Savvidis stormed the pitch with a gun. Mission accomplished. If only AEK knew that we didn’t really want to win the title. If I ever come to Canada, I want to go to the bouzoukia with you.

Only league winners have any (slim) chance of making CL. Have you seen what PAOK would have to do to qualify for CL ? If you don't get that 1st spot it's too difficult.

Ha ha, never on paper! Nice post Blackhawk.

Congratulation boys. Back where you belong. Good luck for next year.

The papers are reporting that if we don't turn up we get a 2 year ban from Europe. Relegation maybe ? Not sure. I just skimmed the article. As to what is real and what isn't, not sure yet. I think we have to turn up. I just would ask EPO to not issue any official tickets to our fans. Not sure how that would go down with EPO but if that was acceptable to them, that would be the path I would take. I think the ideal solution for EPO is to make the match look "normal" i.e. have home and away fans, because FIFA are watching. Problem is, EPO and the Greek state can't guarantee safety. Guarantee is a strong word actually. That implies they have some semblance of competence, which they do not. Maybe we can buy up the tickets and pass them on to Syrian refugees instead ?

I give up. AEK is the BEST team in Greece. They deserve it ... because they 100% would have won even if PAOK didn't get between -6 and -9 points deductions. Don't come onto this forum after one year and start calling me s-h-i-t. If you were in front of me, I'd smack in the mouth. Use those sayings for your buddies over at s-e-d-r-a. P-A-P-A-R-A, e p-a-p-a-r-a.

I'm not worried about the setup. I'm worried it's going to be a bloodbath both on and off the field. The whole situation is a powder keg. Woe to the poor soul that has to referee that game.

Rest players. The end.

It's posts like these that make me think AEK fans are in the wrong profession. They should be revisionists or mathematicians. To be fair, I am consistently hearing this from all AEK fans ... I guess it must be true. Yeah you beat PAOK on points ... with PAOK playing one game less (the game against Olympiakos did not go ahead) and with PAOK getting -6 vs AEK. Take away the -6 and play the game against against Olympiacos and PAOK wins and PAOK is +1 points ahead of AEK. As to the odds of PAOK beating Olympiacos in that game had it gone ahead, I think > 50% chance of winning and that's being conservative. So I guess you are 50% champions ? Having said that, there is still time for more revisionism. It's likely PAOK will rest players before the Cup Final (bloodbath is my prediction) so AEK might just win on points. Here's to AEK. 50% champions of Greece on paper. The papers are real even if you tell yourself they're not. Would it kill people to just admit that PAOK is a decent team ? Apparently it would kill them. Like I always say, anything North of Athens, no good.

I've never liked the idea of foreign referees. Just doesn't sit right with me. As for the Cup game, if PAOK fans are given tickets the violence will be of a special kind. I expect nothing less being Greece. Given the choices, I'd go for not giving any tickets to PAOK fans. At least that way if something does happen (and I expect it will) the club won't be held responsible. Having said that, FIFA will consider it ridiculous that you have a Cup Final with only fans from one team attending so I don't expect this to happen. Instead, I expect the game to go ahead with both sets of fans and for there to be trouble of all sorts. Could this be the catalyst for Grexit ?

Ha ha, it's not about hate. You won the title and I'm right with that. But the repetitious mantra of "we were the BEST team this season and DESERVE it". Nah man. I'm calling you guys out on that. Not that it matters. In one ear and out the other. As for the Cup, it's rumored it's going to be switched to Toumba ... because ... that would be fair ?!

Greek football has been very successful for decades ... for some ...with having it all centralized in Athens. Why change what's not broken ? As for the Cup, good lord, it's gonna be mayhem.

I did drink the cool aid. Before drinking, I thought PAOK earned more points in the league. But now that I've drank it, I can SEE that AEK deserve the title. AEK earned the most points. AEK would've won even if PAOK didn't have 9 points taken deducted. Ah the cool aid. Titans of Greece! DING DING DING DING !!! STEP RIGHT UP. WE HAVE A WINNER! I think you drank the honesty-aid by accident. At last some honesty. A Freudian slip ? No back tracking now. We lost it. You didn't win it. Best team in Greece. Deserved champions. Titans of Greece. That paper championship will stick for a long time.

Based on points ? I suppose yeah, they are the BEST team in the league ... titans of Greece!

I can only guess they have trouble putting their big boy pants on. To say such a thing you must either be trolling (always a big possibility on forums) or can't grasp reality. A fair and realistic statement would be something like "Based on points, we were the 2nd best (I'm feeling a bit anxious) team this season but due to the appalling behaviour of PAOK fans and their president, we won the title." but that would possibly be expecting too much. Instead, we see this repetitive mantra (if I just say it one more time, I'll believe it) that AEK were hands down the titans of Greece! Ha ha ha. So basically, to win the title, AEK had to have PAOK lose points for bad behaviour. In other words, without this, they would not win the title. But when you say they won it on paper, they get upset! As for me, I'm not a hypocrite. I'd LOVE to win a title on paper. I suspect it's even better than winning it just based on points. End of the day, you only see non PAOK fans in our forum when there is trouble at our club. When we were/are playing well, did you see anyone ? But when our fans and president behave like idiots, then all the kotsobolides appear. And boy did they LOVE it. Must've got their rocks off. And I'm not saying we don't deserve points deductions. I'm just saying ... AEK ... you needed the help of our fans and president. Best team in Greece ... spare me. 2nd best, yeah, cool I'll give you that. ΑΕΚ γερά, τιτλο στα χαρτιά! ΑΕΚ γερά, τιτλο στα χαρτιά! ΑΕΚ γερά, τιτλο στα χαρτιά! If you keep repeating this mantra, you'll get there. You now join the gavroi in having won a title due to other teams losing points (yes, yes, I know it's our fault). Own it people. O-W-N I-T !!

Delusion is a special thing. Best club, yes. I'll agree to that. Best team ? If PAOK were not deducted points and had played the game against Olympiakos there is a good chance they would be +4 or more points ahead of AEK. So not sure where you're getting best team. The best team (in terms of the players on the pitch) this season is PAOK. The best club, yeah, I'll give that to you guys since we have fans and a president hell bent on being cray crazy. Delusion is a special thing. All year long, ha ha ha.

What's Jimenez going to say ? That if PAOK didn't get deducted points then they might not win the title ? That would be political suicide. Honour is not something that is rewarded in Greece. It is what it is. Onwards to the Cup and next season. In the meantime ... repeat after me. ΑΕΚ γερά, τιτλο στα χαρτιά! ΑΕΚ γερά, τιτλο στα χαρτιά! ΑΕΚ γερά, τιτλο στα χαρτιά! Ha ha ha, that will never get old.

The best option from a security point of view is a secret location played without fans. Anything else and there is a good chance there will be trouble, injuries, death. Ridiculous proposition I know. But if security is your first concern, that is the only way ... in Greece.

I'll be amazed if there isn't serious fan violence before the game and after the game. Heck maybe even during the game. I'll be surprised if the match itself isn't a complete fiasco. Daft decision to play the game at OAKA considering what's happened since the Cup Final last year. Keep believing EPO. I'm actually not looking forward to this and will be relieved if the game just finishes without and injuries or death to fans. As for the clubs themselves, I'm sure they will behave honourably.

Savvidis gave them a fakelaki. They looked inside. They said NOT ENOUGH. Now they are negotiating.

No news yet on the appeal. Are the adjudicators on holidays ?

Amen brother! ;)

While we have your attention, if PAO gets relegated to B Ethniki, does this affect Alafouzos's debts in any way ? Just wondering what game he's playing.