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I don't believe you need to defend the entire game but we don't have the players to do control the ball and attack. Renieri tried that and we got ripped apart. I believe Greece's strength is still their defense. What we need is some speed on the wings to open up the game when we have a chance to counter. A few players will change the entire complexion.

Some great points here guys. As for the Ethniki, defend or attack, what ever you wanna look at. When we play so many players out of position nothing will work. We have played without wingers long enough, on the few occasions we play with wingers we actually play ok so hopefully Angelos sees this as we’re gona continue to suck otherwise

Just a general comment from reading this thread. I don't believe that DEFEND, DEFEND, AND DEFEND more is the only way for Greece to be good again. Sure that's the way they played in general in 2004 but they had talent that could create chances and could score when required. It was the perfect storm and good job on the guys to get it done. Now, however, the game throughout the world has been about ball control and attack. I thought that Greece could elevate it's game over time but instead it has been resting on it's laurels from 2004. I've seen lesser name countries like Iceland play an attacking game against teams with much more talent. Sure you can still play defensive when required but you can't have a mentality of wanting to win every game 1-0 when you are playing the minnows. There has to be a balance that is achievable. So I don't want Greece to sit back from the start of each game. They need to select the players who can do that and it's been mentioned 1000 times that certain are left off the team when they shouldn't. Get more speed. Get more youth. Get more desire. Can it be done. Who knows but lately it has not worked out. The Euro group gives Greece a chance but if they think they can get through playing 0-0 with most of the teams then they might was well just book their vacation now.

If only Masoud scored that sitter...

this was a good draw. AEK was unlucky not to beat them last year was all over them. I doubt that they'll be a fortunate against an Olympiakos that took down Milan. pame!

Mourinho has just been sacked from Man Utd. Could always try for him. ? On a serious note though, I think you guys were better off with the ispano. Yes he was a bit too attacking and made some basic mistakes but he had the team flying at times. It’s not like you would be relegated anyway so not sure what the big deal in sacking him was.

I’m not talking about training at all. You guys are misunderstanding my point. What I’m saying is athletes have short careers. Your goal is to make as much money as you can in that short time you are able to compete. In the end, it’s a job. You can ride the bench in the English championship and still make way more money than playing in the Greek league. Anyway, in the end it’s about money, just like we go to work to make money so do they. Most would rather make the money Samaris is making on Benfica for barely doing anything than play in the Greek league for a quarter of the money and have these butchers try and blow your knee out every week.

I don’t know if I would ever trade the 2004 trophy file. That was done though hard work and determination. We were the ultimate underdogs who played with a correct system and luckily had the right players for it. Our passion and drive got us a trophy with an excellent coach who figured out a way of how to make this team win. He focused on defence and played counter attacking football. We had an excellent leader in Zagorakis, we had the best RB in years in Seitaridis very solid defence and keeper and striker who is known for heading in Charisteas and had Karagounis in the peak of his career. There were some players that missed out still and we still won it like Georgatos, Zikos, Kyrgiakos, Nikolaidis was injured and a few others. Right now though I believe the talent is still their. Especially our youngsters. I believe the issue is not the super league but it does a play a certain role. I believe the passion and determination is not at the same level as it was. It has declined for some reason but it dosent mean our players don’t want to play for their country. In my opinion the players and team are not doing enough. If Greece play like the way Olympiakos did against AC Milan the other day then we should be ranked around the top 20 in the world. I agree with what you said though we have no midfielders or full backs. Torosidis can still be an impact but his time is over at RB. He can still contribute off the bench if need be. We need proper and fast full backs. The best bet would be to play Koutris at LB. Every game he plays he is getting better and better and plays like a real professional. RB there are a lot of ??? to who should play there. For the CDM and CM positions we have a real problem... Zeca and Kourbelis are similar players that like to run down opponents and close down and help shield the defence. That’s what they are good for. They don’t offer anything in going forward. They can’t control the middle and dictate the game. In this modern game you need fast midfielders. Who think and move fast. Galanopoulos can improve the midfield but won’t be our saviour or isn’t the answer we need. We need Vidal type player or a player that we depend on to move the ball effectively and other teams are threatened by. We haven’t got anyone like that now. Also what do we do when Mitroglou is our?!? In my opinion we need a good coach who knows all these things and executes a plan of to turn this team into a respectable and competitive team again! At least we won a trophy so we can look back on and work towards that kind of glory again which has given us a belief for future generations to carry this glory again. The trophies matters more than how you play. At the end of the day a football team plays for a winning result!!

Terrific player Lamprou is. He will develop even further with more playing time their something special with this player.