Ethnikos

You know whats sad? Looking through these starting 11's and realizing how s%$#! we are. I am genuinely disappointed, and this thread is just an embarrassment. All our players except 3 or 4 are an embarrassment to the great name 'Panathinaikos'. I find myself watching videos of Panathinaikos' champions league games, big victories, historic wins and thinking; how did we F*** all this up? Will those days ever return, or will I spend my entire life like a Nottingham Forrest fan. Waiting for the glory days to return, waiting for an investor, waiting, waiting...

^^ age hasn't caught up with him yet. And true, bc his career started late maybe his body is in better rested than any other 30 year old who's been playing pro since a teen

Half of our team needs to go

^so true. Does anyone know when he'll play? This is m*****es we signed him in July and its November. All we have seen was him play against some ska.ta beta Ethniki team in a behind closed doors game. Po po to think we spent a mil...

___________Mitroglou Pelkas_____Fortounis_____Mantalos _____Tachtsidis___Samaris Holebas________________Torosidis _______Manolas__Sokratis ___________Karnezis This should be our core team. We should stick to this in the beginning. It's also important to start incorporating Stafylidis and Kitsiou into the fullback positions during this campaign. Holebas and Torosidis are both in their 30s. Lastly, we also need to utilize Petsos, Vellios, Kapino, etc. He have a very good team, a lot of youth talent and a lot of quality players. There could be worse problems. (I believe Bakakis should be a starter if he wasn't injured, if he's as good as he is for AEK than we're in good feet :P )

When is Cirimot going to be available for you guys? I had high hopes for him

^^^hahahahaha

I also feel like Vellios deserves a call up

Dean 97 good post bud, but I'm not so sure about Lagos. He's mediocre at BEST. Also, Sifakis still plays football?! I'd have Vellidis as 2nd or 3rd keeper.

^Bakakis is injured unfortunately

RED SHERIFF good point. I wish the NT could play at AEL Arena, or Toumba, etc. It gets a little boring playing in the same place all the time

We're F***ed in my opinion, but I'll give him a chance. Couple games and we should see what he's all about. Also in an interview, he said that his goal is to take us to Russia 2016. Well said.

Also, look at AC Milan and Inter Milan. They both had ?150,000,000 budgets and their still ska-ta

JVC I understand where your coming from, but money isn't everything in football. Sure it's quite a factor, but not the only one. Just to clear the air, I do think Greek football is getting better. Here's some examples: 1. Olympiacos might have a decent champions league run 2. AEK is back, and financially healthy with a billionaire owner 3. Iraklis is back 4. PAOK is a rebuilding job, but is debt free and moving in the right direction with players and management 5. Larissa look like there coming back to the Super League, with AEL Arena 6. Aris will likely be back in a couple years. From what I've read in the Aris forum their attracting wealthy investors Panathinaikos is a different story :P With time things will only get better because they've already hit the worst. I believe that 2011-13 were the real s%$#! points in the Super League. Atleast now Super League clubs (as far as I'm concerned) can afford their players, unlike Aris, OFI, etc. who are taking the same bright route as AEK did. As far as curruption, get over it man. It's not going to end, and the Greek League is not the only currupt league. You just have to learn to live with it bro.

It's funny how no one really talks about Samaras recently in this forums :P

Petsos needs to be given a chance. He controls the midfield at his over achieving Austria Wien club. Defeating Ajax, Villareal, etc. on the way

___________Mitroglou Pelkas_________________Mantalos ___________Fortounis _____Tachtsidis_____Petsos Stafylidis________________Kitsiou _____Papadopoulos_Sokratis ___________Karnezis Sub: Kapino Tzanetopoulos Manolas Holebas Samaris Kone Karelis Vellios This is what I think the Ethniki should look like.

Needed win. Even though it didn't get is to euro, it brought the young boys some motivation and determination going into the next campaign. Lol we can just watch Cyprus in the euro as a replacement (I believe if they win tmrw and Bosnia loses to Belgium they are through)

Tsanas to EPO after the game http://i.imgur.com/S6HTObf.gif

Why is Moras starting over Tzanetopoulos?

I would start Stafylidis. We have nothing to lose at this point. We've already F***ed this up badly. Stafylidis is a player for the future, Holebas isn't.

You guys should get Mattheos Maroukakis. The guy's a tank, and scores some crackers. Been in excellent form since joining Larissa from Panachaiki

Tsanas the MALAK-A

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