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Its probably the injury, he returns to the starting scheme of Benfica vs Besiktas (away) today so that means he is something for them. Samaris Maniatis was a good midfield in WC 2014. Team literally had the best transition possibly in the IC game,when Katsou was banned. Holebas also gave fresh air then. There is seriously something we are missing here as to why Maniatis is still getting picked. I understand your concerns about Tziolis getting call-ups but Maniatis surely has something we probably are not aware of. Dont be so harsh on the team. They were considered the underdogs and "a lucky draw" for the romanians in 2013. We dominated. We were considered the underdogs for 2010 Ukraine as well. We dominated. The stronger the opponent, the more the pressure they apply, the more the spaces they open. Sadly Belgium has 6 key players like Carassco,Hazard, Lukaku, De Bruyne, Ninja Mertens, that our defence has to deal with. Given that we find solutions in defence, even with a 9 defenders lineup, their defence is rusty. I know our offence is nothing close to Bosnia's and BELG still didnt concede. If we manage to keep them at bay for long enough, they re probably not used to it.

kick him @Reaper ? Also do you have evidence the guy holding the cebenica whatever that slaughterhouse was called was less than 51% serbian in DNA? If he s not, im happy he did it because it is his beliefs and his ideas, and his country's vision. Has nothing to do with me, my country and my nation's football assossiation. Do you have any evidence?

Im all in for Siopis joining the squad but honestly, we cant experiment against Belgium. Samaris Tachtsidis is the only option. I believe that with Maniatis not having a club at March( although i doubt he wont be added to a team in the January Transfers Period) Skibbe will try to set foot and take action. Hope the same thing happens with Tziolis. Torosidis Manolas Sokratis Stafylidis show great composition, hell even Tzavellas shows he can play. If we honestly try to take 1st spot against Belgium, we need solid defence and maybe get a draw or a miraculous , out of nowhere stolen win. If we realisticly aim for 2nd spot, we need to concede few,so that we try to decrease the Goal Difference we ll have with Bosnia this way. Bosnia conceded 5. If we concede 0-2, Noone gives a f*ck if they even score 7-8 goals to Gibraltar. We are the last team Belgium plays, they ve already qualified to be honest, maybe their key players are bored of tryharding for an already-over campaign. This and Cyprus gifting us the away match, while making it hard (like they always do) to the bosnians, will be key factors to us stealing the spot.

Let him continue. He is amusing us. Signing in on a Greek forum and trying to make us ask sorry is pitiful and pathetic. He wants to continue, let him do it. We ve had our massacres too. Since the guy holding the flag/banner is Serbian, I honestly find nothing to be sorry about. Its the retarded Greek Mentality that is afraid to hurt others that's worrying me. Greeks preffering to put their based opinions(about Bosnians being intruiguing and so these evens occuring) behind, so that they dont hurt the Bosnian pride.

Glorification of the biggest crime in Europe? Your Bosnian blood is kicking in.

Retarded Greek Mentality. We have to beg Bosnians who before , during and after the game were acting bitchier than our dirtiest ex for forgiveness over something a serb c@nt did? Why are you so pu$$ies? Bosnians got what they asked for. If cheering Macedonia!Macedonia!, something that hurts our pride all the time before the match, you ll get what you asked for, and it's a banter that hurts your pride. You Gopniks are so butthurt about it? You think the Greek fans are the worst there are? Summer 16. Albanians use banners bashing the Greek, noone bats an eye. Where were you when this happened? Where are your comments about Albanians mixing politics they know nothing about with football? You were nowhere, because you are just egomaniacs. Go to sleep Gopniks, I repeat. And pray we dont get a result from Belgium.

Apparently for most of htese posters, its better to field a new player at a crucial match than someone who , ugly but still , works.

Achievementwise in the last 12 years we are way beyond. Screw the euro we won. Euro 12 Quarters, WC 14 R16. We ll get back to what we used to be , might it be soon , might it take 10 years, we will. You re basing your facts on a 2 year screwup of our NT? Friendly reminder u didnt go to the Euro 16 either, so either it be finishing 3rd or 6th the outcome is still the same. There is nothing to disrepsect, so u can't really mean any disrespect. As for yesterday's match. Referee favoring us? Give me a break, he was happy to even the players without needed to red card Papadopoulos. Kolasinac did many fouls to the winger and nothing was given, suddently our 60kg winger makes a foul on him and you concede, and it's referee pushing the home team. Pathetic way of thinking. You were the best side? Possessionwise, ye. In a total of attempts ye, but I can't remember any better chance to score than Pjanic at 76. The rest are no clear chances, despite you willing for them to be. You had Ibisevic header from a corner?(Not sure if it was ibi but u get the point). We had Sokratis header on target from a corner. You had a woodwork->back of the keeper-> goal.We had a woodwork->keeper-> out. We had a Mitroglou tet-a-tet at 43. Dzeko shot on Karnezis some minutes before getting sent off. I really don't remember anything else worthmentioning as a clear advantage. So saying : we should have won 3-0 because we had 3 good chances is equal to saying : we should have lost 3-0 because you had 3 good chances. But I dont expect you to say anything similar because simply: This is your team and you support it. And yeah, every time bosnia has the ball and is going forward its danjerous. Pjanic Lulic Dzeko Ibisevic are all world class players. But so is our defensive work. So are our defenders. Do you really base your fact that you dominated the game because an offensive team played offensively, while a defensive team played defensively ? LIKE WOW N!GGA ARE YOU SMART OR WHAT? Come get your cookie. Another one: While getting 8 yellow cards in 7 different players (friendly reminder football is played 11vs11) I quite honestly can't understand all the "you play anti-bitchy-football" bullshiet you ve mentioned. Draw was deserved, your team has the ability to score goals but your defence is disasterous. This is exactly the reason we have a chance of grabbing 2nd spot, because if god sleeps, we can stop belgium. Go to sleep Gopnik.

Where can I seeDzeko comments?

Well you said the exact same thing with different words. Problem is , most of hte time with better or worse opposition, Fortounis tends to find time and space at least 1-2 in the match to throw a good assist/make hte shot himself. It's almost inevitable for a player not to be found at a good point. If he utilizes it well, the team profits. Upcomming Belgian who will possibly mark him is going to be Nainggollan or Witsel. Witsel is of a very offensive mentality, while Nainggolan makes some anger-based fouls. Fortounis will get his chances. Utilizing them is another story.

Full Match Preview incoming. We played poorly, I agree, but not as poorly as everyone decides to propose we did. Second half I saw one chance from Bosnia and 3-4 good ones from us. DEFENCE:Ibisevic, Dzeko, Pjanic , Lulic they are world class , all of them. And what did they really get? Their crucial chances were a Pjanic shot at 75' and a lucky static shot at the woodwork. You make it look like their other chances were awesome. Our defence , kept only one lucky goal from that offence, and with one of our starter CBs missing. Maniatis and Samaris were very poor offensively, in fact they were very poor in total, but they never left their defensive duties unattended. The only mistakes I give our defence are 2, and both go to our best player: a) Sokratis failing an offside trap on Dzeko, but shortly after making up for it. b) Sokratis making a foul for almost no reason (since help was comming from Stafylidis in less than 2 clicks o time) which gave them the lead. MIDFIELD: Lost from the beginning, poor game from Samaris, Maniatis running up and down but really nothing useful with the ball on his feet. I really hope Zeka takes Maniatis spot as he is the exactly same type of player (running up and down marking players, and not the best option to help offensively). Tachtsidis creativity would have given us more up front and far more chances. I really believe the whole reason our offense is not working, despite having very creative players like Fortounis, Mantalos, Gianniotas in it , is there exists no transition in the midfield. My belief on this? Skibbe has the "ας κρατησουμε το 0 Priority" so he always fills the midfield with fully defensive and fast moving players. And to be fair, its working, OFFENCE: Mantalos not existent, not at all. Did nothing up front but can't really blame him. Lulic was on that side, and he had to help Toro in his defensive duties( I 'll say more on the rating part.). Mitroglou had some real good chances , like that cross that didnt even realise it could go through, and the tet-a-tet that begovic luckily kept out with his shoulder. Best chance to make sure it goes on was to shoot it that way, it was a good shot, and I liked that he kept his calm and shot so well. Save was even better. Also was ready to receive that cross from Toro with his head with excelent positioning. Guy needs good serving , but when he gets it, u re sure he ll score. Nothing more to say.Fortounis got it with the long shot, Had an exactly same chance with Belarus, boy seems unlucky. Pretty closed from 2 players of Bosnia 24/7 but the other 2 midfielders(Yes im talking abotu Sama/Maniati) didn't take advante from it. What possibly happened? As I previously mentioned, they were only supposed to have defensive duties. If that's what really happened, is Skibbe to blame? Yes. Stafylidis off position, but another player who was playing midfield/offence but was seen lots of time covering for Tzavellas and even helping him. I don't know why Tzavellas took the MVP award and not him. Really proves to be better everytime he plays. I expect him to be in the starting line up against Belgium as well, because we are gonna need someone extra to defend. He and Gianniotas seemed to be the best players who can control high balls in 1 touch. He had a good run which he crossed to Mitroglou but im my humble opinion he should have shot it(even if it was with his right foot). I expect him to get a good signing in 1-2 years, really shows passion with the team, and is a key player of a mediocre bundesliga team at this age. Gianniotas really gives breath to the team. Fast runs, smart no look passes and such. There is lots of room for improvement, but he is better than anyone we ve tried at Right Flank. He is too hessitant to shoot because he is afraid of being called selfish. I hope this changes. GK: He was very very good, Nothing could be done at the goal. Seeing how bad the Cypriot GK is makes it obvious we are lucky to have him. Just lets hope we don't need a penalty shootout, ever? Karnezis :8 Torosidis :7. Why do you hate? He has a guy named Lulic to mark , and that guy is fast as hell, he made him look useless, of course you can't expect him to be as good as he was in previous matches offensively , when we were playing nonamer oppositions. Sokratis: 6 Our worst defender today. Talking about defensive duties only. made a foul for no reason and we conceded from it, failed an offside trap but made up for it. Got more than 4 because he literally kicked Dzeko out of the game by being annoying. This gave us the opportunity to pressure and actually score. Stupid to give that foul, knowing that Bosnians on set pieces are literally beast mode. K. Papadopoulos: 6. Did no real mistake but he was missmatched when marking Dzeko, who was his initial personal opponent. That's why Manolas would be a lot more handy here. At points when he was on Ibisevic, he was fine. Tzavellas: 6,5. He scored, but most of the chances came again from his side, Stafylidis spent half the match helping him. Also scared to go high a lot, probably Skibbe orders. Maniatis 4. Runs a lot, applies pressure to opponents who try to create a chance.Always there when needed in defence, we never were outnumbered in defence because of both Maniatis and Samaris. But, no help in transition, no offensive help to Fortounis who was marked by 2. Maybe Skibbe orders as well. Samaris 4. Looked like he was playing a 3rd Centerback. Poor passes and kept the ball for no reason at points. *Bonus for Samaris-Maniatis combo: Can't really say we saw Pjanic do his usual magic tricks. I didn't really keep an eye on what was happening on the field, Im a guy who keeps looking at the ball, the guys who tape and rewatch the match can tell us. Possibility these 2 were unseen is that their dirty work was to keep Pjanic at bay. Until we rewatch the match we can't tell. If they really did this, they deserve a lot better ranking and a lot less hate. Fortounis: 6 No mistake, no losing the ball on bad spots, has vision but plays very high to utilize it. Was well closed from the opponent mids. Mantalos: 5. Helped torosidis a lot with Lulic. Nothing offensively. Combined well with Toro and Fortounis to make the crossbar chance happen. Gianniotas 6. Pressured the enemy defender but that guy looks buffed as f*ck. 50 kg against 80 can't get you much. Won the crucial free throw that got us the goal, deserves credit. TV presenters said he was not given a couple of fouls. I disagree with them. Stafylidis: 7. The real MVP for me. Running, crossing, defending. Everything, was everywhere. Gonna be a key player for the NT. Slightly overrated because he played out of position, and still made it. Mitroglou: 5,5. Had his chances, didn't execute. He should have delivered at least once. TooLong-Didn'tRead version: We were bad at first half becuase we were afraid to play offensively. We played offensively at 2nd half and I think we dominated it.(alongside bosnian coach helping us). Bosnian offence needed defensive care, and we had what it takes to keep them at bay.Sokratis bad match. Few key chances for us like woodworks and tetatets. Draw deserved in total. Reminds of old Greek NT.

I didnt say such a thing. But he is our 3rd option CB for a reason. Full post after the whole Energy this screamer gave me incoming.

the worst player on the pitch was Samaris. the worst passer I dont mid if any of the 2 cbs did any bad passes. They kept a world class offence Lulic, Dzeko , Ibisevic, Pjanic in just one LUCKY goal. Maniatis Samaris combo was terrible today, Terrible, not just bad. We cant really expect much against Belgium so since I saw such poor performance from Maniatis-Samaris today, I wouldnt mind in changing both.

By the way. Greek mode on. ΡΕΖΙΛΙ. ΑΠΛΑ ΡΕΖΙΛΙ Ο ΚΥΡΙΑΚΟΣ ΠΑΠΑΔΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ ΕΝΑΣ ΤΟΣΟ ΕΞΥΠΝΟΣ ΠΑΙΧΤΗΣ ΝΑ ΤΡΑΜΠΟΥΚΙΖΕΙ ΤΟΝ ΔΙΑΙΤΗΤΗ ΕΠΕΙΔΗ ΔΕΝ ΕΔΙΞΕ ΚΟΚΚΙΝΗ ΣΤΟΝ ΝΤΖΕΚΟ, ΕΠΕΙΔΗ ΔΕΝ ΘΥΜΟΤΑΝ ΟΤΙ ΕΧΕΙ ΗΔΗ ΚΙΤΡΙΝΗ. ΕΝΑΣ ΛΟΓΟΣ ΠΑΡΑΠΑΝΩ ΠΟΥ Ο ΜΑΝΟΛΑΣ ΠΡΕΠΕΙ ΝΑ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΒΑΣΙΚΟΣ. ΔΕΝ ΕΧΩ ΤΙΠΟΤΑ ΜΕ ΤΟΝ ΠΑΙΚΤΗ, ΤΟΝ ΙΜΠΙΣΕΒΙΤΣ ΠΟΥΤ@Ν@ ΤΟΥ ΤΟΝ ΕΚΑΝΕ, ΑΛΛΑ ΑΝ ΠΡΕΠΕΙ ΝΑ ΔΙΑΛΕΞΩ ΜΕΤΑΞΥ ΤΟΥ ΤΕΛΕΙΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΥ ΠΟΛΥ ΚΑΛΟΥ, ΣΟΡΥ ΓΚΑΙΖ ΑΛΛΑ ΘΑ ΠΑΡΩ ΤΟ 1Ο.

Manolas out? Your inner PAO is speaking. Kyriakos papadopoulos couldnt deal with Dzeko, thats why Sokratis fouled him and they scored from it. If you re gonna hate someone, hate on Samaris and Maniatis, they lost the midfield without even trying. Im not even sure they did anything worth mentioning.

no we are not, he played poorly whole game, scored a goal and deserves credit for it.

nah we had chances. draw was the deserved for this match.

When we pressure them we create chances. Manolas missing is a big minus as he has the physical ability to stop Dzeko one on one , and doesnt need 3 defenders on him. I know everyone has been praising K pap being a starter since like 2010 but honestly he is far inferior to the Manolas-Sokratis duet. Mitroglou nice chance, smart run to not let defenders even think what he is about to do. Mantalos unexistent in the game so far, I hope 45' Gianniotas gets a shot.

Now imagine a player as good defensively as Manolas and as creative as Mantalos. His name would be Mantolas.

in opap we are not, i just played, we are the favorites. but opap is greek and maybe this is why.

With full roster and our full potential we are far better than Bosnians. Manolas Tachtsidis and Holebas missing are and all should be key factors of our defensive play. Mitroglou and Dzeko but we have a good striker as well. Gianniotas Mantalos Fortounis (Taxi also) help in creative game and making chances out of a run or a good pass. I can't decide now because of these missing.

No Greek ever agrees with any Greek NT coach that he is making the right decision. If internet was so developed in 2004, can u imagine what bash did Otto Rehhagel would get for Georgatos and Zikos not joining for Euro?

i had the same opinion with u but yesterday iwas proven wrong. Just some back passes and a failed through ball t gianniotas are his highlights. adding the fact i mentioned that the others dun wanna "play with him" unless no otheroption, he s making midfield insta lost.

Every1 wants to criticize the likes of Tziolis. Many want to bash him for maniatis too. Many want to critisize him for benching holebas gianniotas and taxi. maybe for not calli9ng siopis until now as well. When it comes to callups, we both know he is no more than 50% responsible for them. EPO is corrupt and they get bribes for caling certain players. its a fact that he even probably agreed to, in order to take the job. But to be fair, the meia cat start bashing for 1 simple reason. He hasnt lost a single formal match. What do they have against him? Jus their personal(common) belief. If someone talks publcly the answer is simple. He beat aus,ned,3 formal matches with his callups. End of story.

I for one have a different aspect when it comes to the friendly loss. It is a good thing proving to Skibbe how vital players like Fortounis, Manolas , Sokratis Torosidism Mantalos and Mitroglou are. It also pointed the team cant play 4-4-2, even though we ve been asking for it. Skibbe answered to you all who were asking for 4-4-2 (due to Karelis being of high form its no more than 3 months ago that people were asking this scheme in the forum because of "lack of wingers). Even if it wasnt a loss, it was a draw or even a narrow 1-0 2-1 win, it proves team cant play without wide players. Also proved Diamantakos not ready to make the big step, The fact that Tziolis played 90' is good. It probably menas we might not see him for the next 1-2 matches at all. Since there s probably just an agreement with EPO and his Manager for playing time. I ll repeat I have a feeling that even his teammates didnt wanna pass to him, which if Epo realises is throwing the team back to our EURO 16 QCampaign, where the team wasnt united, they might stop it. Stafylidis,Gianniotas and Tachtsidis proved how worthy they are. Karnezis - Glykos have a very high level difference when it comes to calming the game and making correct passes. Gianniotas really didnt do anything unique, but his speed and the fact that he knows the winger position is an upgrade to the team. we need people who can make fast transition from defence to offense, and Tachtsidis Vision with players like Gianniotas Fortounis and Mantalos is an excellent tactic. These players along Kyriakos being able to "fill" the DM pos, without being anything special, or one of the Samaris, Maniatis, Petsos , Siopis instead are the only worthy 11 for trying to qualify we have. Karnezis Toro Manolas Sokratis Stafylidis Papadopoulos Tachtsidis Gianniotas Fortounis Mantalos Mitroglou For this match with all these injuries im hoping to see something like this: Karnezis Toro Papa Sokratis Stafylidis Samaris Siopis Gianniotas Fortounis Mantalos Mitroglou