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Hypocrisy.
I can guarantee you if and when the day comes that Germany's economy enters recession, they will not apply the same "methods" to their own economy as they did to Greece.
jvc, I get what you are saying about Greece paying its debt, but there are times when debts just aren't payed back in full. And this is a text book case of that. Just because an agreement has been made (think Versailles), doesn't make it just or sustainable.
I'm just waiting for the laughable hype that will come out in maybe 6 or 12 months from now when the media will report "Greek economy grows by 1.2%" or something like that. It's not so hard to grow by 1.2% when you're GDP has fallen by 30%.
What people aren't getting is how bad the technocrats at the EU are at their job. They have little understanding of macro-economics and don't really care when this is pointed out.
Just think ... how badly has Greece been run in the last 40 years or so ? Really bad yeah! Little understanding of how to create a modern economy. Greatly reliant on tourism. Little to no serious export industry. Heavily reliant on imports. Bureaucracy laughable. Regulation laughable. Taxation laughable. And yet I tell you compared to the EU technocrats, the people that ran Greece were competent. As bad as Greece has been, they never managed to destroy the economy to depression levels in such a short time.
There is a big misconception that this is all of Greece's fault. Definitely up until 2008 it was. But since then, the Troika's remedies have managed to put Greece into an economic spiral and it's still going. I await to see where it will finish.
There seem to be a lot of posters on this forum that have faith in EU technocrats fixing Greece's economy. I am not one of them. I don't think they know how to fix it.
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Facundo is a good squad player and he would be missed. I hope they can work it out. Olympiakos ? Surely that is just the media.
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ECB going to turn the tap back on. Tsipras and Co. doing what they are told. The EU is a beautiful thing.
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I don't believe the 50 billion is collateral. I think the idea is to sell it off slowly and in theory it's not meant to be fire sale prices. Also, the full 50 billion is not meant to be used for debt repayment but rather a portion of it will be used to help the economy grow.
At least, that's my understanding of it. As to how it all pans out, time will tell.
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That's actually quite a nice 11. The back 3, pfft, they scare the s%$#! out of me, but how can I not be scared of our defense after the last 6 months. From Kace onwards, it's quite a nice selection. Kace, Pelkas, Charisis and Mistakidis. Would Tudor play so many youngsters together in such a critical game ? Having said that, Kace isn't a youngster. He's a full senior player now.
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Lucas paid his fine and has begun training again. Pereyra still has not.
I never cease to be surprised. I would have bet 100 dollars it would have been the other way around.
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we need to buy some good players fast. Arnesen kai Savidi proxwrate!
I agree about getting good players. Not so sure about getting them fast. We have to be realistic and accept the fact we probably can't get "top shelf" players. I'd rather we sign less players but of a higher quality, which is the approach Arnesen seems to be using. Either that or all his targets are selecting other clubs over ours. ;)
Either way, this squad should be good enough to make it the group stage, and if they don't make it, well that indicates what level we're at now, and how much rebuilding needs to be done.
The problem with us signing "high quality" players is that they usually don't want to come to PAOK. I'm guessing Arnesen is waiting for the transfer window to get closer at which point players will decide that PAOK's offer is the best they have, where as now, they are happy in general to wait and see if a better offer comes their way.
What this means is that Arnesen is rolling the dice that the current squad is good enough to make the group stage. Risky I suppose, and I could be completely wrong. I'm just speculating.
Regardless, I'm going to blaspheme now and say it. I'd rather we don't make the group stage if that means we don't sign players just for the sake of it. And if we can't make it with the current squad then they shouldn't be there. They shouldn't require "metagrafes" to get to the group stage.
I find myself in the unusual situation of actually having faith in Arnesen with Tudor. Arnesen with his ice cold viking blood just make me feel calm ;) And I think Tudor has what it takes to make us a better team.
I hope the rest of the PAOK fans have patience also.
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If we go to the drackma, and America doesn't come to the rescue....Say goodbye to Greece!!! Venezuela has more resources than Greece, and cannot afford to import the bare essentials!!! Venezuela has 10 times the oil Greece has....But 80 percent is going to pay the Chinese debt.
If you think that Greece would actually be on their own, owning much more than Venezuela, Greece my friends, would be a place, we'll be all looking at and crying....If you love Greece....Don't think of the drackma scenario!!!
How did Greece survive before when they had the dpx ? Or was I dreaming. As it is, Greece is now a vassal state ... without a shot being fired, or a soldier landing on our land. Complete and utter surrender.
I await with bated breath for conditions to improve now after this 3rd bail out. Let's see how it turns out.
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However, for the common good, at least consider blocking me. From then on you can move on and find other things to complain about. Or you can just complain in the comment sections of my articles.
It is only for the common good that I reply or comment to your posts. But I have done it enough, and it may be the case that other posters have had enough as well and roll their eyes at this silly back and forth. The rest of your post, again, what have you been smoking ? I have a target now ... indeed *rolls eyes*.
I will take your advice ... I think it's time we moved on.
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Agreed, it's not the formation. If anything this formation strengthens the spine by having 3 in the back and 3 in the middle, at the expense of the flanks.
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Enough of this Russia talk. Back on topic.
I'm not surprised that there are anarchist actions now and to come. After all, this is Greece we're talking about. The land where they can't even get hooliganism in stadiums under control, when all it would take is some video surveillance and actual meaningful prosecutions.
Having said that, Tsipras should not have agreed to the terms of the EU. And the reason is, it's not the platform he got voted in on. I'm not arguing about whether he did or didn't have a choice, that is a discussion for another time. What I am saying is he said if he got voted in, that he would "end" the austerity. Then, he holds a referendum. And the people vote Oxi.
At this point, he has no option but to go through with the plan. He has to, or so you'd think. However he comes out of the meeting with the EU having effectively ceded all ground. Politically, this was a bad move, as well as ethically.
He would have been better off walking calmly out of the meeting saying "I can't agree to these terms, and the EU won't negotiate, therefore I am resigning". At least this way he could have argued he didn't lie or screw the people. Hand over government to whoever wants it, but don't allow your signature to be the one that appears on the 3rd bailout.
The EU would look bad since they effectively broke an elected government by using the ECB to cut liquidity, and Tsipras doesn't look like a hypocrite and an amateur. Which is how he looks now ...
I don't know. Maybe I'm reading it all wrong but if he truly felt the deal was awful then he should not have signed. PASOK suffered badly in the previous election. Will the same happen to Syriza in the next ? I imagine their one shot in government is over. I can see PASOK picking up a few votes also. Not enough to get back into power but more than the election just past for sure.
I wonder how XA would go if they stopped the violent racist stuff and instead ran on a platform of "end the austerity or Grexit".
As for Tsipras, he should enjoy this time. It will be his last. And he should probably start siphoning money to a Swiss bank account while he can.
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Do you mean where are?
The place most the real PAOK supporters in Salonika are on match days, at home, away from the stadium, waiting for the club overall.
If you needed more positive comments from myself for this ridiculous game.. I also stated Mysta should have started.
I am sorry if my overall negativity hurt your power sensitivity. With me you will only get facts, same in my articles. No good intentions a the road to hell is paved with them as they say. However I must conceded if I am speaking with my wife or some other member of the fairer sex and they are upset, I may try and sugar coat a little, but even then I find it better to be honest.
I am sorry you only found a few positive comments of mine in this game for PAOK. I spose you can't always please the thought police, but perhaps just be happy we live in a forum where a member can honestly debate a game without someone counting the amount of positive and negative comments in a match thread and debating their findings 1980 style. :D
Easy re spelling bee champ. If you keep spelling as you do, you may get somewhere. As for your posts, they are rarely positive. And the rest of your post sounds like smoked a spliff before posting.
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On the other hand: we are PAOK. Making easy things difficult.
We are the grand masters of making things difficult :)
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Yeah, I don't know where people come up with this sort of reasoning. Once again, it's an inferiority complex and the belief you can't stand on your own two feet.
I reiterate, when has one country ever helped another ... just because. It just doesn't happen.
Even when Greece was assisted in the past, it was because they were a block against the Ottoman Empire, or the Nazis, or because the US didn't want Greece falling under Russian influence just after WW2. It is always strategic. Always.
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Statistically PAOK dominated them. More shots, corners, 63% possession.
They'll park the pulman at Toumba but surely you'll get the result.
The away goal was so so so critical. It changes everything. If the score had remained 2-0, it would have made things so much harder.
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First thoughts:
Pelkas, Mistakidis, Kace - good
Mak - frustrating - unlucky, or just sloppy?
Salpi - same as Mak
Maduro, Tziolis, Tzavellas, Martens, Lucas, and Pereyra - get rid of them all tonight
Salpi and Mak just aren't clinical finishers. They need too many chances. We are sorely missing a "Berg" type striker that is a natural finisher. At one stage last year, Klaus was the man, but then it all went down hill. I hope we can get a quality striker and Klaus regains his form. It will completely change the team.
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Pelkas should have just shot himself. He is the best player you have.
Reaper, you only comment on the bad plays. The above comment is the most positive comment you made. We're there no others ?
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thats a crap starting 11...
Thanks and thanks.
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Tziolis was atrocious in the playoffs and weak during the league.
To be fair, the whole team was atrocious during the play-offs.
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Incidentally I read a BBC report today that said that the situation in Greece is now on a scale with the American Great Depression.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33507802
And all orchestrated by the "responsible" and "serious" Troika. Greece wasn't exactly a model of economic prosperity before hand, but the actions of the Troika have been naive, irresponsible, amateurish and obstinate.
But it's all Greece's fault! Maybe pre-2008, but since then, much blame goes on the serious people who have no idea about economics. They still think running a country is like balancing the books in a business.
And the end result ? Well, it's there for all to see.
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If you think :-
- carving up what is left of Greece and handing it over to foreigners.
- guaranteeing a 4th bailout if the IMF don't step in (by which time Greece's "unpayable" debt will be 500 million)
- guaranteeing more cuts in GDP.
- guaranteeing 25% unemployment for the country.
- guaranteeing 50% unemployment for youth and zero future.
is the sensible, logical, rational, most responsible thing to do, then well, what I can say. You should all be happy that the parliamentarians (thanks for the oxi but let the grown ups handle it now), voted yes today.
I can honestly say, this is a terrible day. The only good news is for all those posters that would rather see Greece get mauled than see Syriza in power, your wish has been granted.
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jvc, I hope you're right about the reforms actually being implemented. I think it's going to be more a case of the EU picking the low hanging fruit. Anything that requires actual system wide implementation with serious man-power will either be put in the too hard basket or they'll make a "token" effort and say "see, we tried but the greek people blah blah".
All I can say is that reading about the vote this morning, I'm disgusted. But apparently the majority think that handing over your country and your people over to Germany is preferable. Go figure.
In breaking news ... Germany offers solution for greek debt. Every greek citizen can donate a kidney or other non-essential organs.
Pussies, the lot of them.
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It would be nice if Greece could shake off its inferiority complex and stop relying on the US, UK, Germany, France, Russia etc. Why would they want to help Greece ?
Each country looks out for themselves and Greece should do the same. It's not about being nasty or unsympathetic. It's just about being realistic.
Where has this attitude of needing a big brother gotten us ? It hasn't benefited us at all. In fact, it's made Greece mentally weaker.
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The deal that Tsipras "negotiated" will result in a 4th bailout not 100%, not 1,000 % but 1,000,000%. Maybe the IMF may come to the rescue (the irony) and get a big debt restructure. They are talking about a big up front cut or to postpone it for 30 years. 30 years!! That's how bad the deal that Tsipras "agreed" to is.
And does Germany know this ? Of course they do. But Merkel won't be there to clean up the mess. She'll have retired to a Greek island bought a nice discount.
But what do I know. 75% of Greeks still want the Euro! After what's happened in the last 5 years, they would still rather stick with the Euro. How much must they distrust their own politicians, and how little faith do they have in them, that they would prefer this to going back to their old currency.
In the meantime, their great grandchildren will be paying back the debt. Yep, great decision everyone. Stick with the Euro. Protect your pensions and let the kids pay for it once you're gone.
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The Greek Economy Thread
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It's just a way of thinking that developed as a result of the civil war. it's not ideal, but I don't find it surprising. How else could it be ? But, I think the left ideology ruining Greece is just a scape goat. If that was the case, KKE would get a much larger share of the vote. As it is, they never get more than 5% give or take. To me, it's more a case of the Greek people became complacent and failed to keep up with the new way of doing things post 1990, give or take. The world has changed a lot since then and we have had to adapt with jobs being off-shored, privatisations, domestic manufacturing become less and less relevant etc. We don't like it, but we've managed for the most part to adapt, while whinging along the way. The new normal is job insecurity unfortunately.
How does the education system in Greece perpetuate this way of thought ?
Wanting to exit the EZ doesn't mean become buddies with Russia. I could not think of a worse ally. Having said that, if we can export to them, or they want to invest in Greece, by all means do it.
What is up with all the closed professions in Greece ? I read somewhere there are 240 of them ? Kind of ridiculous. Certain professions (think medical) should be closed and have higher standards. You don't want a cost-cutting race to the bottom when it comes to health-care. But 240! Nice one.
Sunday trading generally only benefits large malls. Small suburban shops are for the most part closed on Sundays, as they don't get the foot traffic to justify opening on a Sunday. Greece is for the most part the land of small suburban shops, so it'll be interesting to see how this one plays out.
What is up with Elliniko ? You'd think it was a perfect site for development. Is there something wrong with the site ? Both PASOK and ND have had chances to develop it. Why hasn't anything been done ?
And we're still waiting on a Land Register ...